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Women Need To Be Streetwise About The Powers Of Arrest And Learn Legal Process....apparently.
Is the criticism currently being levelled at Commissioner Philip Allott justified, or is he simply speaking common sense?
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I think few people, if confronted by a policeman would be sure of their legal footing. Seems like an example of victim-blaming.
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I think few people, if confronted by a policeman would be sure of their legal footing. Seems like an example of victim-blaming.
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danny - // Women need to be streetwise to a certain extent ... // And that statement simply adds to my argument. Why do women have to be 'streetwise to a certain extent', when men clearly do not? And is that acceptable? My point is that they should no more have to be streetwise' than any men, and that society thinks it's OK to confirm that they should, is what is wrong...
19:03 Sat 02nd Oct 2021
There comes a time/age when it becomes impossible to educate the already uneducated, especially when it comes to respect in every area, but it appears this is about respect for females. The respect you seem to be pointing too AH, is the uncontrolled urges of the male. The latter again has, and always will be with us I'm afraid, and has been for hundreds of years, you will not change it.
I don't think for one second that you can say the risk is on par with getting wet in the rain. Whenever a murder takes place be it male or female, then that ignites an out cry for more to be done. Whenever a police officer gets killed/ murdered there is a period of out cry.
The fact is, that no one can for see any thing like this happening. May be the statements / advice from the police is badly worded. But what other advice can they give?
For years now, and even I can remember my mother telling me not to be out on my own, always try to be with someone especially at night, so that advice is not new. However you can still be in the wrong place at the wrong time without knowing so.
Not in this case, but when you have drink and drugs involved, by female and males this also increases the chances of rape and murder, so a lot of the time the police have their backs to the wall, and take all the flack.
Most officers are now on their own, when they used to be a two man crew, adding to the problem of containing any sort of law and order. The criminal element know this and take advantage of such, so this sort of crime, and many others can only fester.
I don't think for one second that you can say the risk is on par with getting wet in the rain. Whenever a murder takes place be it male or female, then that ignites an out cry for more to be done. Whenever a police officer gets killed/ murdered there is a period of out cry.
The fact is, that no one can for see any thing like this happening. May be the statements / advice from the police is badly worded. But what other advice can they give?
For years now, and even I can remember my mother telling me not to be out on my own, always try to be with someone especially at night, so that advice is not new. However you can still be in the wrong place at the wrong time without knowing so.
Not in this case, but when you have drink and drugs involved, by female and males this also increases the chances of rape and murder, so a lot of the time the police have their backs to the wall, and take all the flack.
Most officers are now on their own, when they used to be a two man crew, adding to the problem of containing any sort of law and order. The criminal element know this and take advantage of such, so this sort of crime, and many others can only fester.
naomi - // AH, I disagree with you ... //
I would hardly expect you to say any other.
// ...you’re kidding yourself if you think talking about banning cars and shutting pubs dismantles any argument. //
I would hardly expect you to say any other.
// ... and this is not about me so kindly keep the personal remarks out of it. //
I hardly think that you, of all people, are in a position to call anyone out for 'personal remarks' - that's just hypocrisy.
I would hardly expect you to say any other.
// ...you’re kidding yourself if you think talking about banning cars and shutting pubs dismantles any argument. //
I would hardly expect you to say any other.
// ... and this is not about me so kindly keep the personal remarks out of it. //
I hardly think that you, of all people, are in a position to call anyone out for 'personal remarks' - that's just hypocrisy.
danny - //
Women need to be streetwise to a certain extent ... //
And that statement simply adds to my argument.
Why do women have to be 'streetwise to a certain extent', when men clearly do not?
And is that acceptable?
My point is that they should no more have to be streetwise' than any men, and that society thinks it's OK to confirm that they should, is what is wrong with our society in the first place.
Women are not safe alone in the street after dark, and that is a seriously dreadful indightment on our society.
The fact that alone woman was abducted, raped and murdered, and police 'advice' is for women to risk being arrested for resisting arrest makes them an utterly disgraceful example of the sort of thinking that allows crimes like this to happen.
The attitude is , we simply have to accept that women alone are accepting a risk to their safety, and that's just the way it is.
Well I think it's time we took steps to ensure that future generations of men no longer think that way - and our police forces do not facilitate them thinking that way either.
Women need to be streetwise to a certain extent ... //
And that statement simply adds to my argument.
Why do women have to be 'streetwise to a certain extent', when men clearly do not?
And is that acceptable?
My point is that they should no more have to be streetwise' than any men, and that society thinks it's OK to confirm that they should, is what is wrong with our society in the first place.
Women are not safe alone in the street after dark, and that is a seriously dreadful indightment on our society.
The fact that alone woman was abducted, raped and murdered, and police 'advice' is for women to risk being arrested for resisting arrest makes them an utterly disgraceful example of the sort of thinking that allows crimes like this to happen.
The attitude is , we simply have to accept that women alone are accepting a risk to their safety, and that's just the way it is.
Well I think it's time we took steps to ensure that future generations of men no longer think that way - and our police forces do not facilitate them thinking that way either.
teacake - // The respect you seem to be pointing too AH, is the uncontrolled urges of the male. The latter again has, and always will be with us I'm afraid, and has been for hundreds of years, you will not change it. //
But again, that's part of my point.
The idea that men are possessed of 'uncontrollable urges' is a stupid myth encouraged by men to excuse appalling behaviour, and assault.
And I believe that what can be changed is this pathetic excuse for men's bad behaviour, when that's all it is, and it's time that society stopped using it as an excuse, when in reality it is a myth.
teacake - // I don't think for one second that you can say the risk is on par with getting wet in the rain. //
My point was, that society regards the risk taken by a lone female on the street at night at parallel to going out in the rain without an umbrella - no umbrella, you got wet, that's what you get, you went out on the street on your own at night, you got raped, that's what you get.
It's a parallel - a delineratly facile one to make an important point about just how society views women who are the victims of assaults on the street at night when they are alone.
But again, that's part of my point.
The idea that men are possessed of 'uncontrollable urges' is a stupid myth encouraged by men to excuse appalling behaviour, and assault.
And I believe that what can be changed is this pathetic excuse for men's bad behaviour, when that's all it is, and it's time that society stopped using it as an excuse, when in reality it is a myth.
teacake - // I don't think for one second that you can say the risk is on par with getting wet in the rain. //
My point was, that society regards the risk taken by a lone female on the street at night at parallel to going out in the rain without an umbrella - no umbrella, you got wet, that's what you get, you went out on the street on your own at night, you got raped, that's what you get.
It's a parallel - a delineratly facile one to make an important point about just how society views women who are the victims of assaults on the street at night when they are alone.
The balance between consent and conform/comply can be very tricky.
Civics should be taught in school on police/their powers and the basic Rule of Law.
This furore - "loss of confidence in the police" - over ONE tragic case is childish, but, we should all be made aware of our rights by the media - in TV, radio and newspapers - as those rights are often abused by the police on a cowed Public.
Civics should be taught in school on police/their powers and the basic Rule of Law.
This furore - "loss of confidence in the police" - over ONE tragic case is childish, but, we should all be made aware of our rights by the media - in TV, radio and newspapers - as those rights are often abused by the police on a cowed Public.
AH is under the mistaken belief that educating boys is the answer.
He’s wrong.
Boys know it’s wrong, and therefore they don’t do what this aberration has done.
This aberration could have had all the education in the world, but he’d have still been wrong.
AH needs to accept that some people are just simply bad.
He’s wrong.
Boys know it’s wrong, and therefore they don’t do what this aberration has done.
This aberration could have had all the education in the world, but he’d have still been wrong.
AH needs to accept that some people are just simply bad.
an awful lot of aberrations round, Deskdiary
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Deskdiary - "You say Boys know it's wrong ..." and if by that you mean it's wrong to attack lone women, then obviously that is true.
But my point is, we live in a society where women are expected to accept the risk of an attack as simply an occupational hazard of being a woman out at night, and furthermore, the responsibility for being safe and avoiding an attack is theirs, because that's just the way it is.
My point is that it should not be simply accepted and we should look to change the cultural attitudes that make it 'the way it is'.
And that can be done by instilling a level of respect in the future generations of men, and that is done by educating them as children.
Of course a psychopath is immune to such education, but we must look to men in general, and not simply avoid the issue because of the aberration of a miniscule minority.
But my point is, we live in a society where women are expected to accept the risk of an attack as simply an occupational hazard of being a woman out at night, and furthermore, the responsibility for being safe and avoiding an attack is theirs, because that's just the way it is.
My point is that it should not be simply accepted and we should look to change the cultural attitudes that make it 'the way it is'.
And that can be done by instilling a level of respect in the future generations of men, and that is done by educating them as children.
Of course a psychopath is immune to such education, but we must look to men in general, and not simply avoid the issue because of the aberration of a miniscule minority.
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