North Shropshie

[Gromit]

Please just post:
Tory win. Tory Hold, or Tory Loss.

We will see in the early morning.

[Gromit]

^ ^
A true blue Tory speaks.

A 23,000 Tory majority becomes a 6,000 LibDem majority.
And the conclusion is not that the Tories need a new leader, but that Labour do.

[emmie]

Labour won't win the next election with their current leader, he is dull beyond words, now perhaps if they had the likes of Andy Burnham in there perhaps their chances would improve...

[JimF]

They certainly won't! Nor will they ever win another general election until / unless they find another Tony Blair. I couldn't care less what you think about Tony Blair - but you can't deny that he knew how to win a general election...

[emmie]

a snake in the grass, i couldn't stand him at any point and if i voted Labour i wouldn't have voted for him.

[JimF]

Tony Blair was the greatest PM since Churchill.

[emmie]

are you joking. Blair was a consistent liar and proven war criminal. Made millions and millions, how?

[JimF]

How was Blair a war criminal?

[emmie]

took us into an illegal war. he followed the Americans, when the President said jump, he did, killing many soldiers and civilians in the process.

[emmie]

for now i have nothing further to add...

[JimF]

I'm sure you don't! It will surely not surprise you to learn that I don't agree with you!

[Stickybottle]

I have no idea yet what the percentage turnout is in comparison to the last time but to take that seat by more than 6000 is no mean feat
Given that the public are losing confidence in this government
Their own backbenchers are rebelling and with Labour posing no credible is it possible we are witnessing the first ripples of a sea change in British politics ?

[ichkeria]

Tories aren’t scum.
Labour’s performance here is irrelevant.
It’s a nightmare before Christmas for the PM who has got his just deserts
Well done to Helen Morgan.

[Stickybottle]

ichkeria
Tories aren’t scum.
Labour’s performance here is irrelevant.

In light of the fact that they have made no inroads whilst the Tory party are floundering I would say it is very relevant

[emmie]

sb no we aren't seeing a sea change...

[Stickybottle]

emmie
sb no we aren't seeing a sea change...

Not yet but maybe a start
Conditions at present that I have outlined are perfect for the Lib Dems to make gains
Boris losing the backbenches and Starmer at odds with his deputy gives the Lib Dems the chance to be a bit stealthy and creep up on the rails a bit

[emmie]

apart from their current win, the Lib dems are non starters.

[Stickybottle]

But a 34 percent swing is going to make a few sit up and take notice
After 200 years with a Tory mp this mornings headlines will cause Boris a bit of a headache

[emmie]

along with many other things SB...

[diddlydo]

You seem to have forgotten that the LibDems also took Amersham and Chesham which had also been a "safe" Tory seat. Johnson be warned - no Tory seat is safe until you go.

[ichkeria]

It isn’t relevant: this was a case of people voting for the candidate they thought most likely to unseat the Tories.
Labour did not campaign here just as the Lib Dems did not campaign in Batley and Spen for example.
What IS relevant is the fact that the simple fact of the Tory majority of er slightly less than 80 makes a Labour victory in the next election problematic and an electoral pact would seem to be the best chance for anti Conservatives.
The other possible problem for the Tories now may be the mini-rise of small right-wing grievance parties like Reform and Reclaim UK. At least one of those hit 4 figures this morning