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The outcome of the 'trial' and her not testifying was probably all worked out as part of a deal before it started.
Only 2% of Federal Cases end up in court (the others plea bargain) and just 1% of the ones that appear in court are found not guilty.
The Judge was coincidentally given a promotion just prior to the trial.
Seems to me, everything was arranged to keep the men's names a secret.
Only 2% of Federal Cases end up in court (the others plea bargain) and just 1% of the ones that appear in court are found not guilty.
The Judge was coincidentally given a promotion just prior to the trial.
Seems to me, everything was arranged to keep the men's names a secret.
// That would be massively cynical on your part, so perhaps I misunderstand your position ?//
I can hardly believe that a group of women who have brought a civil case elsewhere in which money ( or moolah to AH) is the main outcome wd go elsewhere -such as a criminal court whete the outcome is prison.
I think it is libel of the vilest kind to imply that people rely on a criminal conviction to forward civil cases - I cannot think how such a dismal idea can have found a place in any right thinking ABers mind
I despair ( again )
I can hardly believe that a group of women who have brought a civil case elsewhere in which money ( or moolah to AH) is the main outcome wd go elsewhere -such as a criminal court whete the outcome is prison.
I think it is libel of the vilest kind to imply that people rely on a criminal conviction to forward civil cases - I cannot think how such a dismal idea can have found a place in any right thinking ABers mind
I despair ( again )
AH //You seem to have a fixation with the money victims may receive - it's almost as though you think that potential financial recompense was their motivation for speaking out.
That would be massively cynical on your part, so perhaps I am misunderstanding your position as it appears - ?//
I ask a simple question [how much money will they receive] & get a character assassination.
You really are a disgrace as a moderator.
That would be massively cynical on your part, so perhaps I am misunderstanding your position as it appears - ?//
I ask a simple question [how much money will they receive] & get a character assassination.
You really are a disgrace as a moderator.
Khandro - // AH //You seem to have a fixation with the money victims may receive - it's almost as though you think that potential financial recompense was their motivation for speaking out.
That would be massively cynical on your part, so perhaps I am misunderstanding your position as it appears - ?//
I ask a simple question [how much money will they receive] & get a character assassination. //
Oh get over yourself Khandro!
If I have touched a nerve by simply suggesting that you are a cynic with your repeated references to the money involved for the victims, then that suggests that you are aware of how unpleasant that makes you sound.
A 'character assasination'?
Do get off it - such things are not permitted on here, and you are far too opinionated and beligerent to wilt under a mere suggerstion, you know it and I know it.
// You really are a disgrace as a moderator. //
You keep saying that, no-one takes a blind bit of notice because the Editor and team know that all Modertors post as AB'ers, not as Moderators.
Only you and a couple of like-minded moaners refer to such nonsense, the Ed and Team ignore it, quite rightly, as does everyone else, because it makes you look foolish, or in this instance, more foolish.
That would be massively cynical on your part, so perhaps I am misunderstanding your position as it appears - ?//
I ask a simple question [how much money will they receive] & get a character assassination. //
Oh get over yourself Khandro!
If I have touched a nerve by simply suggesting that you are a cynic with your repeated references to the money involved for the victims, then that suggests that you are aware of how unpleasant that makes you sound.
A 'character assasination'?
Do get off it - such things are not permitted on here, and you are far too opinionated and beligerent to wilt under a mere suggerstion, you know it and I know it.
// You really are a disgrace as a moderator. //
You keep saying that, no-one takes a blind bit of notice because the Editor and team know that all Modertors post as AB'ers, not as Moderators.
Only you and a couple of like-minded moaners refer to such nonsense, the Ed and Team ignore it, quite rightly, as does everyone else, because it makes you look foolish, or in this instance, more foolish.
Teapots - // When cases like these come about I often wonder how many, if any associates Jimmy Savile had? //
The most cursory examination of the situations in which Savile committed his offences shows quite clearly that his behaviour was absolutly facilitated by people in positions to prevent it, who failed to do so, either because he would always threaten to remove his charitable donations and support from their organisations, or he could threaten them with the loss of their job, such was the influence he carefully calculated in high places.
Remember, this was a man who had Christmas dinner with Margaret Thatcher for a long time.
The most cursory examination of the situations in which Savile committed his offences shows quite clearly that his behaviour was absolutly facilitated by people in positions to prevent it, who failed to do so, either because he would always threaten to remove his charitable donations and support from their organisations, or he could threaten them with the loss of their job, such was the influence he carefully calculated in high places.
Remember, this was a man who had Christmas dinner with Margaret Thatcher for a long time.
davebro - // And wasn't Savile an associate of Prince Charles & no one could think the friend of a Prince could commit such atrocities could they! //
Exactly. Savile deliberately courted a section of influential people from the police, politics, the NHS, and showbusiness, to ensure that he could easily hide in plain sight.
Even by the standard duplicity needed to groom and abuse children and young people, he was way above the usual levels of protection through his carefully managed image, the loveable weirdo, and his equally carefully managed personal relationships with those who could fend off even a whiff of scandal from his behind-the-scenes behaviour.
Exactly. Savile deliberately courted a section of influential people from the police, politics, the NHS, and showbusiness, to ensure that he could easily hide in plain sight.
Even by the standard duplicity needed to groom and abuse children and young people, he was way above the usual levels of protection through his carefully managed image, the loveable weirdo, and his equally carefully managed personal relationships with those who could fend off even a whiff of scandal from his behind-the-scenes behaviour.
//Even by the standard duplicity needed to groom and abuse children and young people, he was way above the usual levels of protection... //
Yeah, they manged to nail him though & Rolf Harris, but it's strange they have so much trouble getting behind bars the scores of Pakistanis who are walking free in the towns of the north of England.
Yeah, they manged to nail him though & Rolf Harris, but it's strange they have so much trouble getting behind bars the scores of Pakistanis who are walking free in the towns of the north of England.
Her only hope is grassing;
"Ghislaine Maxwell must give up powerful individuals who had sex with underage girls if she is to have “any chance” of getting out of jail before she dies, a former New York prosecutor has said.
Elie Honig, a senior legal analyst for CNN and former prosecutor for the Southern District of New York, said co-operation represented “her best and perhaps only chance to get out.”
Telegraph
"Ghislaine Maxwell must give up powerful individuals who had sex with underage girls if she is to have “any chance” of getting out of jail before she dies, a former New York prosecutor has said.
Elie Honig, a senior legal analyst for CNN and former prosecutor for the Southern District of New York, said co-operation represented “her best and perhaps only chance to get out.”
Telegraph
Khandro - //
Her only hope is grassing;
"Ghislaine Maxwell must give up powerful individuals who had sex with underage girls if she is to have “any chance” of getting out of jail before she dies, a former New York prosecutor has said.
Elie Honig, a senior legal analyst for CNN and former prosecutor for the Southern District of New York, said co-operation represented “her best and perhaps only chance to get out.” //
That observation from Mr Honig underlines my post at the start of the thread - there is always a deal to be done.
Ms Maxwell has information that could incriminate a large number of rich and famous people who have thus far been able to act with impunity, shielded from the laws which govern the rest of us by virtue of their money and influence.
But as Ms Maxwell has found out to her cost, and Prince Andrew may well find the same - money and power can only shield you so far for so long, and when the FBI have you in their sights, and the means to bargain for valuable information, as they are, then the clock could well be ticking.
If his Highness was not sweating when Emily Maitliss spoke to him, he may find that he has the means to start today ...
Her only hope is grassing;
"Ghislaine Maxwell must give up powerful individuals who had sex with underage girls if she is to have “any chance” of getting out of jail before she dies, a former New York prosecutor has said.
Elie Honig, a senior legal analyst for CNN and former prosecutor for the Southern District of New York, said co-operation represented “her best and perhaps only chance to get out.” //
That observation from Mr Honig underlines my post at the start of the thread - there is always a deal to be done.
Ms Maxwell has information that could incriminate a large number of rich and famous people who have thus far been able to act with impunity, shielded from the laws which govern the rest of us by virtue of their money and influence.
But as Ms Maxwell has found out to her cost, and Prince Andrew may well find the same - money and power can only shield you so far for so long, and when the FBI have you in their sights, and the means to bargain for valuable information, as they are, then the clock could well be ticking.
If his Highness was not sweating when Emily Maitliss spoke to him, he may find that he has the means to start today ...
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