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Four By-Elections Looming Ahead.
The odds are that the Tories will lose every single one of them.
With the Boris Pantomime , the disastrous outcome of Brexit,the worst fall in living standards in a generation. High food prices, crippling energy bills, high fuel prices. Mortgage repayments going sky high, and the Economy stagnating .Why would you ever want to vote Tory again in your lifetime.
With the Boris Pantomime , the disastrous outcome of Brexit,the worst fall in living standards in a generation. High food prices, crippling energy bills, high fuel prices. Mortgage repayments going sky high, and the Economy stagnating .Why would you ever want to vote Tory again in your lifetime.
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"That's spin. The electorate hasn't chucked him out." First of all, you really need to work on your policy of non-
09:50 Mon 19th Jun 2023
He was fined for one incident, a gathering of 30 people. But it was part of a pattern of 16 boozy parties at No.10.
He told Parliament that no rules were broken then all the photos contradicted that. He kept repeating the lie which is why MPs voted for the standards committee to investigate and adjudicate.
He told Parliament that no rules were broken then all the photos contradicted that. He kept repeating the lie which is why MPs voted for the standards committee to investigate and adjudicate.
Gromit, he was given a piece of birthday cake by a member of staff at 2 0'clock in the afternoon. I don't suppose he thought that was a 'party' or breaking the rules - and neither do I. The whole thing is fabricated nonsense. We have just witnessed a shameful and very deliberate political assassination.
But .... back to the topic. How big are you on green issues, gulliver? Have you seen what the eco mob who are creating chaos in this country have said about a Labour government? Between them and the unions, Starmer and co will be led by the nose. There's something to look forward to.
But .... back to the topic. How big are you on green issues, gulliver? Have you seen what the eco mob who are creating chaos in this country have said about a Labour government? Between them and the unions, Starmer and co will be led by the nose. There's something to look forward to.
The underlying problem is neither labour or Conservatives are listening to their core voters instead being enthralled to the loud voices of minorities. This means there is little between them.
Of course rubbish as written in the OP doesnt help, yes there are major problems but keep them factual as that should be enough. The minute you start high exaggerations the focus and spotlight is lost in your ridiculousness.
Of course rubbish as written in the OP doesnt help, yes there are major problems but keep them factual as that should be enough. The minute you start high exaggerations the focus and spotlight is lost in your ridiculousness.
For 25 years I lived in a part of Surrey that ping ponged between being held by Conservative or Liberal, with Labour always coming a poor third. During that time I was an active member of the Labour Party and would stuff envelopes, deliver pamphlets and knock on doors at the time of elections. I was also a Trade Union official at national level. During that time my support for the Labour Party never dwindled, even during the time of Michael Foot and Neil Kinnocks leadership.
I am sorry to say that the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader was the last straw and although I did try to unravel his policies there came a time when I could no longer agree with his, and his supporters policies and so I resigned as a member of the party. I found that when ever I tried to speak against what he stood for I was shouted down and verbally abused.
When Starmer was elected I believed that we might see a change and I could once again rejoin the party that I once fought for.
I am sorry to say that after all this time he has failed to impress me and I honestly believe that if elected under his current policies he would do more harm to this country then the Tories did in their 13 years.
For the first time in my long life I am at a loss who to vote for but it certainly won't be Labour unless they move away from their support of strikers, protestors ruining the lives of ordinary people and their views on climate control.
I am sorry to say that the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader was the last straw and although I did try to unravel his policies there came a time when I could no longer agree with his, and his supporters policies and so I resigned as a member of the party. I found that when ever I tried to speak against what he stood for I was shouted down and verbally abused.
When Starmer was elected I believed that we might see a change and I could once again rejoin the party that I once fought for.
I am sorry to say that after all this time he has failed to impress me and I honestly believe that if elected under his current policies he would do more harm to this country then the Tories did in their 13 years.
For the first time in my long life I am at a loss who to vote for but it certainly won't be Labour unless they move away from their support of strikers, protestors ruining the lives of ordinary people and their views on climate control.
I don't think there's any clearer demonstration of standards slipping than being able to say, "The Prime Minister was only fined for breaking the law once," as if this is a positive thing.
Also, to the suggestion that Johnson didn't think he was breaking the Rules and Guidelines, I suspect he didn't think so either, but as they say ignorance of the law is no defence. And this is surely especially true when you were responsible for introducing that law in the first place.
And, finally, it's worth noting that Partygate didn't finish Johnson at all. He survived it -- and, I suspect, would have been able to weather it quite easily with a more honest approach from the outset, while the Committee of Privileges wouldn't have been able to touch him if he'd started off the whole affair by refusing to comment until he'd conducted a full internal enquiry. Something to the effect of, "I can assure my Honourable Friend that I will order a full investigation into the matter of these alleged parties and I will endeavour to update the House at the earliest opportunity."
No, what led to Johnson's fall was specifically the Pincher affair, and more generally his attitude of:
a) denying everything without bothering to check whether that denial was correct (and it often turned out not to be);
b) sending out Ministers to repeat the Party line of denial;
c) changing this story sometimes only hours later, causing embarrassment for those Ministers who'd gone on air and repeated the false denials;
d) denying that steps (a)-(c) ever happened, which merely begins the cycle again.
After the Pincher affair, Johnson's ministers had evidently had enough. Being sent out repeatedly to say something that is shown to be untrue very soon after must get quite draining.
Also, to the suggestion that Johnson didn't think he was breaking the Rules and Guidelines, I suspect he didn't think so either, but as they say ignorance of the law is no defence. And this is surely especially true when you were responsible for introducing that law in the first place.
And, finally, it's worth noting that Partygate didn't finish Johnson at all. He survived it -- and, I suspect, would have been able to weather it quite easily with a more honest approach from the outset, while the Committee of Privileges wouldn't have been able to touch him if he'd started off the whole affair by refusing to comment until he'd conducted a full internal enquiry. Something to the effect of, "I can assure my Honourable Friend that I will order a full investigation into the matter of these alleged parties and I will endeavour to update the House at the earliest opportunity."
No, what led to Johnson's fall was specifically the Pincher affair, and more generally his attitude of:
a) denying everything without bothering to check whether that denial was correct (and it often turned out not to be);
b) sending out Ministers to repeat the Party line of denial;
c) changing this story sometimes only hours later, causing embarrassment for those Ministers who'd gone on air and repeated the false denials;
d) denying that steps (a)-(c) ever happened, which merely begins the cycle again.
After the Pincher affair, Johnson's ministers had evidently had enough. Being sent out repeatedly to say something that is shown to be untrue very soon after must get quite draining.
Great post, Gramps82.
> For the first time in my long life I am at a loss who to vote
You're not the only one. I'm not sure if politics and politicians have declined, or we're just more obvious to their inadequacies. They say we get the politicians we deserve. If that's the case, we're all doing very badly and it's all our collective fault. We need ... revolution!? Or at least some big changes.
For me, I vote like this:
1) all votes are for a local politician, so if one is obviously a better individual, I'll vote for them
2) otherwise, I will either vote for the party that's not in Government - because all parties get it wrong, never admit it and therefore need correcting by somebody else - or I'll spoil my vote, if I'm really downhearted
> For the first time in my long life I am at a loss who to vote
You're not the only one. I'm not sure if politics and politicians have declined, or we're just more obvious to their inadequacies. They say we get the politicians we deserve. If that's the case, we're all doing very badly and it's all our collective fault. We need ... revolution!? Or at least some big changes.
For me, I vote like this:
1) all votes are for a local politician, so if one is obviously a better individual, I'll vote for them
2) otherwise, I will either vote for the party that's not in Government - because all parties get it wrong, never admit it and therefore need correcting by somebody else - or I'll spoil my vote, if I'm really downhearted
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