Asylum seekers.

[funkymoped]

there is a section in the local newspaper, stating that "Sandwell" is moving hundreds of asylum seekers out of its properties and giving these houses/flats to local people..

its about time logic was stronger than P.C. i have no problem with real asylum seekers, but its all gotten out of hand.

there is light at the end of the tunnel !!!!

[kags]

In my home town, there are 2 blocks of flats which used to be "no go" areas - even the Post Office refused to deliver there. So the local council started placing Asylum Seekers there - within a few months the whole place had turned around, it became a peaceful and law-abiding place once more, and post office no longer get pelted with bricks when they try to deliver mail.

The point I am making is that often local authorities place asylum seekers in accommodation that nobody else wants. This brings in revenue from central government, from flats/houses that would otherwise be vacant and bringing no money to the local council.

Where will the Asylum Seekers that are being moved out be rehoused? The fair treatment of people who have fled their homelands in fear of persecution is not "PC", it is human decency.

[funkymoped]

this isnt a "racist thread", its about the news !

you raised a very good point about revenue from the government.

there is a government agreement, that states local councils should house asylum seekers. Sandwell has opted out of this. these people will be taken on by other councils.

what should we do with all the locals that want housing if the property is taken by asylum seekers ?

[noxlumos]

The people who are "asylum seekers" now are your next generation of locals! Has it not occured to you that everyone you are talking about is a person? Does it matter whether they are "locals" because their families have lived in England for 200 years, or maybe 20 years or "asylum seekers" who've only been here 2 months, they will all become part of the patchwork of the UK in time so what does it matter? These people need help so we should give it to them.

[kags]

I never said it WAS a racist thread.

I was simply saying that it is never as straight-forward as asylum seekers taking accommodation from local people, in many case the accommodation is poor quality, and local people don't want it.

I can't find the news story anywhere - and obviously you must live in the area so have a better feel for the problems there.

[funkymoped]

kags, sorry wasnt trying to put words in your mouth !

to be a victim of the state is a serious problem. there can be no dout of that. but for these people to get to Britain, they have to cross other borders.

i know they are all people !!!! and yes it does matter. why should "locals" be pushed out of their own town to please the government/local councils ?

this wasnt my decision, but i DO agree with what our local council is doing !

the story was in the Express & Star.

yes i live in the area and know of the problems. we are a multi racial area. you name a race of people, they are here.

its not a case of not wanting foreigners, its not wanting to be over run by them... give me a house in the middle of Dorset, a nice little hamlet, and there would be no problem. this is the west mids, not a little town with one or two asylum seekers.

my words "this is NOT a racist thread" just my views of a local problem/news story.

[THECORBYLOON]

Ah so what you want then is no movement between villages towns and cities? Local housing for locals only means folk are born, live, work retire and die in their place of birth.

[kags]

I just want to addreess the point you raised about crossing borders to get to Britain; many Asylum Seekers have no control over their destination as they are at the mercy of unscrupulous agents, to whom they have probably given their life savings.

Others do head for Britain. This could be because we have a reputation (rightly or wrongly) for treating Asylum Seekers fairly. If you felt that stopping off at the first country you arrived in might mean you being sent back to violence or your death, wouldn't you keep going until you got to a country where you thought you might get a fair hearing? But in actual fact, the majority of asylum seekers can only manage to reach a neighbouring country, which is why over 2/3 of them live in developing countries.

[ELVIS68]

Asylum seekers,illegal immigrants,care in the community nutters on the loose,druggies,muggers,hoodies,rapists,conmen,schools overcrowded with non-English speaking kids,dustmen who leave half the rubbish strewn down the road,noisy neighbours,neighbours who dont give a shit about parking so close to your car that you need a tin opener to get out,theiving gits who in the last 6 months have nicked my CD player,back light and back cover off my truck,and nicked the 2 England flags off my wifes car....Roll on the 14th July when I`ll be leaving all this behind when I move to a quaint little village with 1 school,1 pub,300 population...aahh heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ELVIS68]

oops.... sorry, forgot to say..... there is light at the end of the tunnel, you just gotta find it first though ;o)

[Grunty]

What do the residents of a quaint little village think of newcomers who use the expressions 'don't give a shit' and 'thieving gits' and who are at the literacy level of 'you just gotta'?

[unruliejulie]

Grunty, im sure they'll be fine with it, ELVIS is obviously very peed off at how his lifestlye has become due to others who can't and don't know how to behave. Pure frustration. Good luck to you ELVIS.Just wish i was coming with you!

[noxlumos]

Well maybe julie, or maybe not. I think elvis might be in for quite a shock personally as "little Englanders" can be amongst the most abrasive and unpleasant individuals because your face, voice, or level of education don't fit with their idea of what should be in their village. I have a very broad Belfast accent and was viewed with the utmost suspicion despite the fact that I'm educated to degree level, have my own successful businesses and genrally just mind my own busines. I can honestly say that until people became aware of my wife ( whose accent is rp) that I had a very uncomfortable time in the small village we have just moved from.The problem is elvis they might just view you the way you view the asylum seekers, as the ethos of "local shop for local people" is very much alive and well in some of the villages in England. I hope you get on really well and have a great move and I hope that I'm wrong, but grunty could be right and it's a bit much lumping rapists in with little kids whose first language isn't English

[ELVIS68]

noxlumas,the village is only about 15 miles from where I live now,I have visited it quite a few times and the locals are very friendly and welcoming,I wasn`t saying the non English speaking kids are as bad as the rapists,far from it,my list wasn`t put in any order so I`m sorry if it comes across like that....Unruliejulie...you`ll have to have the spare room ;o)...and Grunty...don`t be such a bloody snob...using the terms,don`t give a shit and theiving gits doesn`t make me a bad person does it?..and as for saying gotta....well,if you judge people by that, you gotta get a life...oops sorry...you have got to get a life.

[funkymoped]

I think the trouble with this country, is that too many people have their heads in the sand and their ass`s in the air.

why should i be expected to welcome these people with open arms ? im not talking about GENUINE asylum seekers, though i cant see there being that many in this day and age...

fact... if a person comes to Britain with a genuine passport, they have a greater chance of being sent home. come here on a forged passport, and they can stay !

no, im not happy with the state of this country.. the legal system is stacked against us, the British.

noxlumos, i dont want these PEOPLE to overcrowd the local hospitals and schools !

does anyone know why/how Britain became the dumping ground of the world ?

[gessoo]

Elvis, I live in a little village such as you mention, have done for 25 years. I love it here because I love peace and quiet and the countryside. However, I came here from an area with a hugely diverse population, and if there is one thing I miss it's living amongst such people. Hopefully soon, as the ethnic population in our county grows it will spread into the villages - I for one will welcome it. There are some extremely narrow people living in these little villages - it's not such an ideal place to live (although I wouldn't want to live back in a town).

[gessoo]

funkymoped. Just who are the British; we have been an island of mongrels for thousands of years!!!?

I am British - my great grandmother was French, my great grandfather was German and my husband is British and was an immigrant - and I bet most of us if we go back far enough find out that we have some 'foreign' ancestors.

[funkymoped]

gessoo, im of irish grandparents.(imigrants)

im not saying i dont want foreigners. what im saying is "i dont want to be over-run by imigrants !"

have you ever sat on a double decker bus that is FULL and you are the only Brit on board ??

id`e gladly swap where i live for your area.... no thinking time needed, id`e swap !

have you ever known an area that has more imigrants than "white english" ? (official government stats) i dont think you have, but thats where i live !

this land of ours is being bled dry ! pension funds cant cope. hospitals cant cope. councils cant cope. legal system is being swamped, and if anyone is unfortunate enough to suffer racial abuse, the law will turn against you if the criminal claims "racial".... Fact !

[gessoo]

funkymoped. What is so special about being 'white english' How do you know I am 'white english' or my immigrant husband is 'white english. I am being serious here. Yes, I have lived in road with more coloured immigrants than white english!! That was years ago too! Don't forget I didn't always live in the country! I didn't move here to get away from immigrants, I moved here to live in the country. I don't care whether I am the only white person in our village and that is being very, very honest.

Your grandparents, as you say, were white immigrants. Why does that make them different from black immigrants. I detect some prejudice here!

[gessoo]

Are you sure all those people you share a bus with are not British with British passports? Do you personally know their circumstances, or are you assuming they are not British because they are not white english? Might they not be going to their jobs in the hospitals, etc. you talk about. When I go to our local hospital most of the staff are not 'white English'.

I am not saying all this to be politically correct, by the way, before someone accuses me of it. I am not directing this at you funky!

[gessoo]

Nice to have a discussion on a boring Saturday afternoon, funkymoped!! ;o)