Signs Of Much Greater Importance

[goodlife]

When Jesus Christ was on earth, he gave his listeners a lesson in observing signs and acting accordingly. He was talking about something of far-reaching importance. The Bible reports: “The Pharisees and Sadducees approached him and, to tempt him, they asked him to display to them a sign from heaven. In reply he said to them: ‘When evening falls you are accustomed to say, “It will be fair weather, for the sky is fire-red”; and at morning, “It will be wintry, rainy weather today, for the sky is fire-red, but gloomy-looking.” You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but the signs of the times you cannot interpret.’”—Matthew 16:1-3
.Rve 1:1
Rev 6:1-9

[Theland]

Delighted to oblige.

[Theland]

Ask away.

[pixie374]

Thank you... why do you believe an invisible spirit can come from nowhere and build the world from nothing, when you also claim everything has a cause?
And why do you believe the bible shows any morality?
That would be good for now, thank you.

[naomi24]

Khandro, //If nailit declines, any other atheist will do.//

Try me then. Your question is //why are you so obsessed with God?//

You fall at the first hurdle, Khandro, because you restrict what you perceive to be an ‘obsession’ (and I regard as an interest), to God. I find it quite extraordinary that you fail to recognise the swathe of assorted studies that religion offers the serious student -particularly one unfettered by the constraints of restrictive faith. History, archeology, science, geography, social engineering, mythology, psychology - all of that and much, much more is there - rendering religion, as a whole, a complex and fascinating subject. Take a look at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, for example, and consider the treasures it is reputed to house. Having read the book and examined the evidence first hand, I find its claims, logistically, quite bizarre. And I doubt very much that you’ve ever pondered the improbability of the claims (lies/delusions?) of St Helena, or the psyche of the fellow who dreamt up and broadcast the notion of the Immaculate Conception. You’re missing such a lot, Khandro, you really are. Perhaps that’s why you rarely discuss the social construct you’re so eager to defend, preferring instead to rely upon your constant use of borrowed philosophy. That, I would determine, an obsession - well, that and your obsession with determining that the genuinely inquisitive are obsessive.

I trust that answers your question.

[Theland]

Interesting, until you consider yourself unfettered by the constraints of belief.
You seem quite fettered by your insistence that your naturalistic worldview is exclusive.
But this is not a mere academic exercise borne out of curiosity.
You have so much to learn.

[Theland]

Pixie - I don't believe Gods spirit came from anywhere.
God simply IS.
The only one whose reason to exist is within Himself..

[Theland]

Jesus Christ is the ultimate arbiter of morality.
The sermon on the mount?

[Khandro]

naomi; //You fall at the first hurdle, Khandro, because you restrict what you perceive to be an ‘obsession’ (and I regard as an interest), to God.//

Disingenuous again! You are not, I suggest, interested in "God", you are only interested in attacking anyone who one might describe as being "religious".

Why would anyone be "interested" in something in which they don't believe? & you have clearly pointed out that this is your position over & over ad nauseam

This thread is a typical example of the God-obsessed, The OP mentions only Jesus Christ & a vague mention of "heaven". & yet you and the likes of nailit can't wait to start talking about God.

In fact the biblical quote is very good I think, & could easily be attributed to Shakyamuni Buddha, - which is likely from where it originated.


And what for Pete's sake, is "borrowed philosophy" ???

[naomi24]

Khandro, that’s the third time on this thread that you’ve said/implied that someone who disagrees with you is lying/disingenuous so please stop bleating on about atheists ‘attacking’ the religious. Examining religion and finding it flawed does not constitutre an attack on the religious.

You asked why atheists talk about God and whilst I can’t speak for all I’ve told you why I’m interested. Take it or leave it - but never accuse me of dishonesty.

Theland, //You seem quite fettered by your insistence that your naturalistic worldview is exclusive.//

What are you talking about?

[Theland]

I am talking about the self imposed boundaries you place on your researches, or appear to.
You seem to have a metaphysical prohibition on even considering the possibility of the spiritual dimension, and confine your studies exclusively within natural boundaries.

[naomi24]

Theland, I impose no boundaries on my research. If I found evidence of a spiritual dimension I would acknowledge that. I haven't found it.

[Theland]

It's very strong, yet very subtle in my experience.
Evidence won't jump out at you.

[naomi24]

What is the evidence?

[Theland]

The evidence comes from several sources.
Give Intelligent Design a fair hearing. Listen to the lectures. Stephen C Meyer, Michael Behe, for starters.
See what you find to disagree with.

[naomi24]

That's not evidence. That's someone else's opinion. Where is your evidence?

[Khandro]

naomi; apropos some issues on here & other places, will you do me a favour (please) & look at this video? It's 50 minutes in length & I'm not asking you to watch it all, but at least the first 13 minutes - though I'd be surprised if you didn't continue;

[Theland]

Ive watched it. Brilliant.

[Peter Pedant]

// And what for Pete's sake, is "borrowed philosophy" ???//

philosophy made up by someone else - you know like when someone reads or skips froo the Koran and then insists on blaarting about it to all and sundry as tho it were gospel

Khandy - you must have looked at - passed - Principia Mathematica or Tractatus logico-philosophicus - and thought god I cd never have written any of that - thank god he did and I can read it. sozza long and forrin

I have difficulty with 'hier ik stonde - ik can niet ondere'
and that is only 7 words ( Luther ) dubbl sozza - short and forrin

I thought it was me - if I kept quiet then the other children would play nicely - jesus what a thought ! - mods were taken in tho

[Peter Pedant]

//Give Intelligent Design a fair hearing. //
we have. we did. its crap.
( horray look at that 2 word sentences strung together - Theland cant complain in a whiney voice - "foo dat too long - its pedantish ! foo again")

intelligent design and corona virus
dock head design more like
and God will save the ones he luuurves - any sign of an immune group ?- no I dont think so.....

[Khandro]

PP. on AB you're supposed to make up all the philosophy yourself starting from scratch - I once quoted Plato & was told I should "think for myself" (not saying by whom) I protested that unfortunately I wasn't better equipped than him & anyway, he was only following on from Socrates & was himself then followed by Aristotle & and then came, ................