When Does An 'Ordinary' Muslim Become An Extremist?

[naomi24]

We're often told that there is a difference between 'ordinary' Muslims and extremists, so ignoring those who call for violence and Islamic domination as they march in support of Palestine, but thinking only of the Muslim school children and their parents and supporters who are making news by intimidating students into adopting the hijab, to observe Islamic fasting rituals, and to withdraw from some school activities because they are considered 'haram';   the student who is battling her school in court (at the taxpayers' expense) for the 'right' to pray during school hours, the protestors outside schools, causing one to close early in order to protect staff and pupils, and those who are threatening teachers to the extent that they fear travelling on public transport, one of whom is still, after a very long time, in hiding.   The people who are responsible for all of this carry on their regular everyday lives living among us.  Are they 'ordinary' Muslims - or are they extremists? 

[naomi24]

Islamists don't need to twist it.  Whatever they want to do - from killing the infidel to lying to him - it's all there.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Islamists don't need to twist it.  Whatever they want to do - from killing the infidel to lying to him - it's all there. //

Interpretation is the key point here.

Clearly not every Muslim interperets the instructions of the Koran as literally as the extremists do.

Remember, Charles Manson cited The Beatles' 'Helter Skelter' as his instruction to get his gang to carry out the Tate and LaBaianca murders.

You can see anything in anything, if you want to.

[Redhelen72]

1241 - it all makes sense now.

and now it makes sense it does not matter who tried to debate with you on this subject they would be dismissed unless they were seeing it from your point.

[andy-hughes]

Redhelen - // 

1241 - it all makes sense now.

and now it makes sense it does not matter who tried to debate with you on this subject they would be dismissed unless they were seeing it from your point. //

So - no change there ...

[naomi24]

Andy Hughes, which bit if 'it's all there' didn't you understand?

 

Redhelen, if you've ever attempted to 'debate' this issue I must have missed it.  I've seen your rudeness to me but that's about all.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Andy Hughes, which bit if 'it's all there' didn't you understand? //

Please don't patronise me.

I understand that what you see as 'instructions' are written in the Koran, but clearly the concept of interpretation plays a valid part.

As you know, and have scoffed at several times, my barber is a Muslim, but when he shaves me with a cut throat razor, he doesn't use it to kill me, because his intepretation of the Koran instruction to kill infidels is not something he takes literally.

And as I have also pointed out many times, and you have chosen to ignore many times - if every Muslim interpreted the Koran literally, none of us non-Muslims would be here now, because there is nore than enough Muslims in the world to wipe out any non-Muslims.

But that doesn't happen.

Because interpretation allows them to select the tracts they want to live by, and ignore the rest.

Just like Christians do with the bible.

Which is why there are not a lot of Christians who have missing right eyes and right hands because they didn;t take the 'offend thee ...' bit to actually mean what it says.

[Khandro]

//...If it did, the entire world would be under Muslim domination, and last time I checked, it wasn't//

Keep checking andy, & stand in line with the other useful idiots.

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // 

//...If it did, the entire world would be under Muslim domination, and last time I checked, it wasn't//

Keep checking andy, & stand in line with the other useful idiots. //

I don't need your patronising rudeness either.

I don't see your God Squaders doing much to 'stem the tide'.

[naomi24]

Andy Hughes, world population about 8 billion, Muslim population about 1.8.  You do the maths.

[naomi24]

One to add into the mix.  Christian population about 2.2 billion.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // One to add into the mix.  Christian population about 2.2 billion. //

There we go then - Christians should easily swamp the Muslim infiltration, and be pretty high profile doing it as well.

But they're not.

Because the majority of Christians are like the majority of Muslims, just going along to get along, and not interested in 'taking over'.

You have your own doom-laden vision, and you've been touting it on here for decades, and honestly, very little has really changed.

[naomi24]

Andy Hughes, I'll second khandro's advice to you at 14.33.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Andy Hughes, I'll second khandro's advice to you at 14.33. //

And I'll tell you that I don't need your patronising rudeness either.

[naomi24]

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[douglas9401]

"I can't, I don't know enough about it"

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[Mozz71]

This is turning into a "History Today" type discussion from the old Newman & Baddiel days. 

Makes for an entertaining read it nothing else.

[andy-hughes]

It's ironic, that Naomi and Khandro, who do more carping and moaning than the rest of the AB'ers put together, about threads being 'trashed', and 'going off thread', and all that guff - 

are the two people who patronise and place offensive posts in response to views that differ from theirs.

There is a problem with debates in the AB - and you two are a large part of it. 

[Mozz71]

Andy 15:14

Pot, kettle, black.

[Redhelen72]

Naomi there is no point in trying to debate with someone who is so blinkered that they can not and will not even contemplate that there is another side.

[Khandro]

andy- the issue isn't Radical Islam turning everyone into practicing Muslims, but more about taking control. London has a Muslim mayor & underlying his actions is a Muslim agenda. Similar moves are being made throughout the country via town councils (check out your own).

This very day a decision is going to be made whether or not  United Arab Emirates funding should be allowed to take over The Daily Telegraph and its sister (The oldest journal in the word) The Spectator. 

"If it does, Andrew Neil has said last night he will resign as chairman saying; How could we be owned by an undemocratic government? … The Spectator was founded 200 years ago, to fight for the extension of the franchise to give more people the vote. Are we seriously going to contemplate that in 2024? We’re going to be owned by people who run a government where nobody has the vote.’"