Does It Say In The Quran That You Should Kill Jews/christians/unbelievers?

[Henrietta]

Why would god create everyone and then tell one group to kill another? That makes no sense if it's true

[Peter Pedant]

Naomi - there are taboos against the believers translating the Quran
They have to read the ipsissima verba - which ARE the unalloyed words of God.

So with a lot of things Arabic the discussion of the text goes in completely different ways - haditha for example...

So basically there is NO discussion in islam about the accuracy of translations as every good fella reads it in the original.

[naomi24]

Peter, //every good fella reads it in the original.//

That's not true. The vast majority of the world's Muslims don't speak or read Arabic.

[Peter Pedant]

OK Quran readers....

if you plug in to your URL line : Quran 2:217

up will pop "quran.com" and click on that
and you will get the full version and under that you can click on the translation you want....

the scrambled egg on top is called teshkillah
and you can toggle that 'on' or 'off'

and get a transliteration of the classical language.....

Have fun....

[Peter Pedant]

No Naomi that is true

if they are good fellas - they HAVE to learn it.
even if they dont understand it

[naomi24]

Thanks, but I won't bother - I have three copies.

[naomi24]

In that case I can only say the vast majority of the world's Muslims aren't good fellows.

[Peter Pedant]

In Mali - I think - which doesnt have an Arabic tradition, really - kinda odd as I think the great libraries of Granada were taken there in 1495 - they would employ Christians who could read and translate it, to do so in the schools, as they themselves could not. ( 1980s )

One of my ex tenants ( who I didnt get this from ) who was a pink anglo, said that in prison he had converted to islam, and I said Christ !
Then I yapped a bit in Arabic, and he said, er stop it took me five years to learn the first morning prayer...which he then as I expected recited parrot fashion...
IN a long time I said ? ten years..... he said.

[Khandro]

naomi;You have three copies,and you still haven't found any good bits?

[Peter Pedant]

I am not sure if she understands it Khandro - after all you arent allowed to translate it.....

and if she does she should have been telling us what the meaning of qatl was in 650 AD and does it differ... and I really wouldnt have bothered to do it myself......

in younger days I was warned to hide (all) mine ( while not er translating of course ), as there would be no reason for a christian to have a copy of ....

[Khandro]

Peter; To those following a religious/spiritual path (call it what you will) the reciting of sacred texts, even if not completely understood, is considered to be of meaning and benefit.
A Muslim friend tells me he always reads the Koran from two opened copies, one in Arabic, and the other in either German or Urdu.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Do you think memorising the Book of Mormon and reciting it would be "of meaning and benefit", Khandro?

[Khandro]

not for you v_e :0)

[naomi24]

Khandro, Of what benefit has reading the Book of Mormon been to you? I've got a metal detector - no luck yet - so I've found the book of no use whatsoever.

[Khandro]

I've never even seen a copy, let alone read it.

[vetuste_ennemi]

You're right ther, Khandro, innit!

[vetuste_ennemi]

My last post re your "not for you" comment.
I've read BoM (some). You should try it. After 5 minutes you'll probably think "this guy's having me on" and when you can't take any more of it you'll put it down and think "plagiarised, unedifying and written by a guy on the make". I challenge you to read any 10 suras and not come to a very similar conclusion.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Mrs Olsen (wife of the transcriber of the golden tablets as they were translated by Joseph Smith from behind a curtain) worked that out too, and binned the first transcripts forcing poor JS to have to re-invent all the early chapters from scratch.

[jourdain2]

I have hesitated for days to dip a toe in here. I began teaching in 1972 in Bradford (my home town) and continued (with children breaks) until 2002.
On realising that most pupils entering school were Muslims, I bought a copy of the Koran (Q'uran) and read as much of it as I could stomach. I did give up before the end - sickened by the medieval, male sexual fantasies which it contained. I don't claim to be a scholar on this subject (some of you obviously are) and can only speak as to my real-life experience.

In the early 1970's I had some lovely Muslim pupils who came from supportive and inclusive families. We talked about religion with no problem about the differences and agreed about all the common points (Peoples of the Book).It gradually became worse.

In the late 1990's, when I was teaching in a large comprehensive in Bradford, a non-uniform day suddenly became a day when the boys arrived in Arabic garb and waving the Islamic flag (the last non-uniform day we had), also, about that, time I was shouted down in an R.E. class ( the subjects were on an agreed multi-faith Bradford curriculum) and told that only Islam held the truth. It got worse.

I have so much more knowledge that I cannot communicate here (it needs a book) - but my very sad, indeed horrific, conclusion is that eventually there will be a religious war. This is awful from all sides, I knew many good Muslims who are probably equally horrified.

Well, I'm new to the answer bank so If I'm out of turn I apologise - but I know more than most about the reality.

[Svejk]

very interesting, jourdain. The reality of life at the 'coal-face' for many, I expect.
And welcome to Answerbank ;-)

[Khandro]

jourdain; Hello, your post is most welcome, but don't you think that there is something seriously wrong when a teacher allows himself to be "shouted down" by his pupils, how did you deal with the situation?