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Theland | 00:57 Wed 02nd May 2018 | Religion & Spirituality
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We agree, I presume, that the universe is not eternal, but had a beginning about 13.7 billion years ago.
That being the case, there are, in my opinion, only two possible causes for the created universe.
First, what I believe, it was created by God.
Secondly, what atheists believe, no God was involved, but it was created by completely natural processes.
If you support the latter view, what would you suggest were these natural creative processes, and how would they work?
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In the beginning there was nothing.
Then god made the world.
The second statement belies the first one.
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Kidas - I have just sat through a lecture by Jerry Coyne, evolutionist, introduced by Richard Dawkins. I guess his evolutionary credentials are well respected.
His lecture was full of flaws, from the old arguments about vestigial organs, poor design, the fossil record, and myths from embryology regurgitated.
Not at all convincing.
To believe him is to suspend an expectation of observational evidence that does not require FAITH to agree with his conclusions.
He often cites changes within a species, as evidence that the species is evolving into something else. All pure speculation and assumption. Yet this is the worldview that permeates our society, and woe to any scientist who challenges this so called evidence. Any who do would endanger their research funding, and even compromise their careers. It has happened many times before.
So no Kidas, I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion that there is loads of evidence for evolution.
Quite simply, there isn't.
THELAND do you believe there is life on other planets?
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Don't think so.
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Corbyloon - Are these questions really so important to you? And why would my opinion on space be of any value to you anyway?
You puzzle me.
Theland - // I have tried to examine evolution, but it is just too reliant on assumptions and bigotry. I don't buy it. //

You seem like an intelligent person, so I'm going to take a shot in the dark here, and assume that you know what the word 'irony' means.

If you do - can you apply it on your threads, particularly your own postings, like that one?

Thankjs.
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Yes it may seem ironic, but as the only 100% proofs are reserved for the field of mathematics, we have to be satisfied with either beyond reasonable doubt, or the balance of probability.
But have you ever really studied bible prophecy? It is not coincidence. Israel and the Jews take some explaining away, considering it was all written about thousands of years ago. What is happening now in the Middle East is also congruent with what was written. So I believe the bible.
More historical documentary evidence for the New Testament than any other historical document by a very long shot.
So where is the irony? Evolution doesn't come close. Your comment about irony misses the target, and you hit yourself in the foot.
I wondered how long it would be before I was wrong - again!!!!
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Get away from the establishment.
Become a rebel.
Take the flak.
It hurts but truth becomes your ally.
//I wondered how long it would be before I was wrong - again!!!! //
Everyone that disagrees with Theland is wrong so I wouldn't too much about it andy ;-)
*worry to much about it*
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Well prove me wrong with YOUR evidence.
Theland's threads are a waste of time and bandwidth.

Stop using YouTube lectures as a citation, and maybe you'll actually start to learn something about how science works, and how it does not.
What jim said ^^
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I DO listen to atheists and evolutionists as well you know.
Or you don't know.
I will listen to anybody with evidence to present.
So present some.
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Nailit - Just taking a break to mop up the blood.
So tell me Nailit, how are you doing?
I really am interested you know.
Been talking to you since 2006.
Quite interested in you and really hope all is well with you.
Working?
I've already mentioned the evidence w.r.t Dark Matter and Dark Energy. You're welcome to search for the citations for the related experimental and theoretical studies. The same goes for evolutionary science, although I am not claiming to be au fait with he most recent literature there.

Here's a few on the subject of Dark Matter -- I've provided links that are accessible to all.

https://arxiv.org/abs/0812.4005
(A review of experimental evidence for Dark Matter)

https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.02414
(the same, along with theoretical aspects)

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1405/1405.0439.pdf
(Results from the Planck experiment, measuring a dark matter density five times greater than that of normal matter (Table 0.3), and a Dark Energy density of 69%)

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Thank you Jim.
The night is young.
I will most certainly look at the links later.
Theland, //But have you ever really studied bible prophecy?//

Have you? Really? Why do you think Jesus chose to ride into Jerusalem on a donkey? Why do you think Palestine was handed to the Jews? Let me give you a clue. Neither was by the hand of God.
//So tell me Nailit, how are you doing?//
Kind of you to ask Theland. I'm not too bad thanks.
//Been talking to you since 2006.//
And I still havnt managed to get you to think a bit more critically. Ah well, we can but try ;-)

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