Road rules1 min ago
God's Plan
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Following on from the horrific news of a little boy killed by lightning -
I am genuinly intrigued to hread how any of our Christian contributors can begin to reconcile this tragedy with the notion that their 'loving' God, who clearly allowed it to happen, could let such a loss be felt by his parents and family.
What part of 'God's Plan' is working here?
I am genuinly intrigued to hread how any of our Christian contributors can begin to reconcile this tragedy with the notion that their 'loving' God, who clearly allowed it to happen, could let such a loss be felt by his parents and family.
What part of 'God's Plan' is working here?
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// And theland, I know you're "bored". But feel free to give a basic biology lesson, if that helps... I'm always willing to listen.//
BA - surely?
Have we got passed ( after 200 ) the idea that to know God's Plan is unGod like and so we cant do it? - or else we would be God - and by God no one here is THAT !
no we havent.
carry on disputing !
Someone went on a pilgrimage to Rome ( 800s - no not 1800s!) and listened in on the intellects disputing in Paree. Twenty years later he was on his way back and revisited Paree - and yup they were disputing the same things. no further forward
It may have been Alcuin. ( all - who in? yeah yeah clocked that)
BA - surely?
Have we got passed ( after 200 ) the idea that to know God's Plan is unGod like and so we cant do it? - or else we would be God - and by God no one here is THAT !
no we havent.
carry on disputing !
Someone went on a pilgrimage to Rome ( 800s - no not 1800s!) and listened in on the intellects disputing in Paree. Twenty years later he was on his way back and revisited Paree - and yup they were disputing the same things. no further forward
It may have been Alcuin. ( all - who in? yeah yeah clocked that)
Theland - // Splitting hairs to score points?
Yes fine.
Carry on. //
No-one is 'splitting hairs' or 'scoring points'.
What people are doing is asking legitimate questions in response to your posts - it's how the site works.
If you can't answer with a reasoned argument, and some evidence - and history shows that you absolutely cannot provide either - there is nothing to be gained by simply sniping at others.
It's not even shooting fish in a barrel, responding to you, it's more a case of glancing momentarily at the barrel, which immediately implodes under the pressure.
Yes fine.
Carry on. //
No-one is 'splitting hairs' or 'scoring points'.
What people are doing is asking legitimate questions in response to your posts - it's how the site works.
If you can't answer with a reasoned argument, and some evidence - and history shows that you absolutely cannot provide either - there is nothing to be gained by simply sniping at others.
It's not even shooting fish in a barrel, responding to you, it's more a case of glancing momentarily at the barrel, which immediately implodes under the pressure.
Theland - // Well thank you for that.
I have simply and consistently tried my best to answer questions regarding my beliefs. That's all. //
No, that's not all is it.
You have consistrently ignored Naomi's question about 'blood sacrifice' and accused me of 'point scoring' - neither of which speak to you 'doing your best' as you put it.
I have seen your perception of yourself - a martyr for your faith, doomed to be mocked and cricitised while you try bravely to soldier on and carry the 'word'.
But the reality is, you are both snippy and evasive in equal measure, which is fine, but don't then try and come the 'Poor me I'm trying my best ...' because it does not match your prevarication and hostility, not at all.
I have simply and consistently tried my best to answer questions regarding my beliefs. That's all. //
No, that's not all is it.
You have consistrently ignored Naomi's question about 'blood sacrifice' and accused me of 'point scoring' - neither of which speak to you 'doing your best' as you put it.
I have seen your perception of yourself - a martyr for your faith, doomed to be mocked and cricitised while you try bravely to soldier on and carry the 'word'.
But the reality is, you are both snippy and evasive in equal measure, which is fine, but don't then try and come the 'Poor me I'm trying my best ...' because it does not match your prevarication and hostility, not at all.
Theland - // I can't answer a question about something that requires lengthy and comprehensive answers, in a few short posts. //
I am a long way from stupid - I don't need 'lengthy and comprehensive' answers.
Something that is not a patronising dogma quote, something that is an original thought, and most important of all, some shred of evidence that anything you say about your god and your faith is backed up with anything other than your wish for it to be true - that's all I would need from you.
//But I try.
Yes I really do try, to the ire of yourself and others. //
And it must have dawned on you by now, day in day out, for years on end, that you are singularly failing to convince anyone except your fellow fervents, who obviously need no convincing in the first place.
You can give it up today, and I will never give it another moment's thought.
But as a thinking and curious individual, as long as you continue to post your platitudes, vagiaries, and when you become exasperated, your snide pointdowns and hopstility, I will continue to challenge you.
The reason I, and others challenge you, and others like you, is because you are the ones who start from an imagined superior position, and the belief that your rightness entitles you to a level of smug superiority.
Therfore the burden of proof rests with you, and today, like yesterday and tomorrow, and forever onwards, you have none to offer, so you mark time and fret and moan and feel sorry for yourself.
Maybe time to just give it up?
I am a long way from stupid - I don't need 'lengthy and comprehensive' answers.
Something that is not a patronising dogma quote, something that is an original thought, and most important of all, some shred of evidence that anything you say about your god and your faith is backed up with anything other than your wish for it to be true - that's all I would need from you.
//But I try.
Yes I really do try, to the ire of yourself and others. //
And it must have dawned on you by now, day in day out, for years on end, that you are singularly failing to convince anyone except your fellow fervents, who obviously need no convincing in the first place.
You can give it up today, and I will never give it another moment's thought.
But as a thinking and curious individual, as long as you continue to post your platitudes, vagiaries, and when you become exasperated, your snide pointdowns and hopstility, I will continue to challenge you.
The reason I, and others challenge you, and others like you, is because you are the ones who start from an imagined superior position, and the belief that your rightness entitles you to a level of smug superiority.
Therfore the burden of proof rests with you, and today, like yesterday and tomorrow, and forever onwards, you have none to offer, so you mark time and fret and moan and feel sorry for yourself.
Maybe time to just give it up?
naomi - // Your well-worn excuse that questions require lengthy answers doesn’t wash. //
Indeed it doesn't - because the inference is that I, and others, need 'lengthy answers' because I am too stupid to grasp the concepts of Christianity.
I find that arrogant of Theland to assume the he understands something better than I do, and I need him to explain it to me, and I find it patronising to assume that I am not capable of grasping a complex concept because I must be too dense to figure it out for myself, given that i have acceess to the same bible he claims to get all his info from.
Indeed it doesn't - because the inference is that I, and others, need 'lengthy answers' because I am too stupid to grasp the concepts of Christianity.
I find that arrogant of Theland to assume the he understands something better than I do, and I need him to explain it to me, and I find it patronising to assume that I am not capable of grasping a complex concept because I must be too dense to figure it out for myself, given that i have acceess to the same bible he claims to get all his info from.
Theland - // The part of Gods plan that is working is the inevitability of tragedy, evil both moral and natural, that is the outpouring of the events predicated by a fallen sinful world, a world corrupted from its former perfection by sin.
That is my answer. //
Thank you.
Quite why it's taken two weeks and over two hundred posts to get a simple answer I have no idea, but I have one now.
And you know this because you read it in a book?
OK, if that's what you think, then fair enough.
That is my answer. //
Thank you.
Quite why it's taken two weeks and over two hundred posts to get a simple answer I have no idea, but I have one now.
And you know this because you read it in a book?
OK, if that's what you think, then fair enough.
Yes Andy, that's what I think, what I believe, and yes, partly, mainly through a book, but not any old book, but the holy bible.
And drawing together what it has to say, plus my own experiences and drawing on the knowledge and insights of a variety of scholars, both Christian, agnostic and atheist, I believe my faith is well founded, rewarding and hopefully will be shared with others who wish to know more.
Thank you for your patience and your encouragement.
And drawing together what it has to say, plus my own experiences and drawing on the knowledge and insights of a variety of scholars, both Christian, agnostic and atheist, I believe my faith is well founded, rewarding and hopefully will be shared with others who wish to know more.
Thank you for your patience and your encouragement.
Theland, your last post makes no sense to me. I presume you copied and pasted it from somewhere.
"The part of Gods plan that is working is the inevitability of tragedy, evil both moral and natural, that is the outpouring of the events predicated by a fallen sinful world, a world corrupted from its former perfection by sin. "
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"The part of Gods plan that is working is the inevitability of tragedy, evil both moral and natural, that is the outpouring of the events predicated by a fallen sinful world, a world corrupted from its former perfection by sin. "
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Theland - I appreciate that even among Christians who clearly believe the same concept of God in the broadest sense, will have diversions and different ideas about the finer points.
I would be interested in your view on William's post -
// This is not Gods Plan. God is looking over us but has no control about anything that happens on Earth. //
I did query it, but he has not returned to answer.
My endless question is always 'How do you know?' - and I am not expecting you to answer William's point, but I would be interested in your view on it, since it clearly differs from your own.
I would be interested in your view on William's post -
// This is not Gods Plan. God is looking over us but has no control about anything that happens on Earth. //
I did query it, but he has not returned to answer.
My endless question is always 'How do you know?' - and I am not expecting you to answer William's point, but I would be interested in your view on it, since it clearly differs from your own.
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