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mibn2cweus | 00:15 Tue 01st Apr 2008 | Religion & Spirituality
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Since Naomi will not give me the ****ing key I have decided to follow Jesus and be a Christian just like Theland. I am ashamed of my past history here so I'm going to devote the time I used to spend on ab to reading the Bible. No question really because I no longer care about what people think. I'll get all my answers from God from now on thank you.
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If I didn't know better, I'd have said that was Theland working in that laboratory!
Well, confined to the sofa with my gammy foot, my dogs, my crutches by my side, and my new laptop balanced on my knees, I've done a couple of crosswords, sourced a little information that I needed, and written a bit, but apart from that I have been wandering lonely as a cloud around AB for some time this afternoon, answering questions, putting my point of view, wondering with some dismay at the mentality of one or three contributors, and all in all just popping up here, there and everywhere really (except for that one dreaded section, of course!). What a gay day!! Just thought I share that with you. (Oops, after that, again I feel I'm in Chatterbank. Sorry).

My husband has poured me a glass of wine and is now cooking me a delicious curry supper, so it's not all bad. See, glass always half full (or in my case tonight completely full!).. That's the secret of a happy life. (Theland, take note!).

Anyway, where are you? Are you ok? And where's China? Oh, oh! Not scuttled off to Gretna Green again have they?

Mibs, an afterthought. You're still an enigma to me. Do you enjoy being an enigma?
Enigma is Mibs' middle name, I think.

The car. My son bought the car and arranged to pay it off weekly, then lost his job. (This was a few years ago).

The so called, "friend," saw his ar$e with my son over some other matter, and selling the debt on to the gangsters was just his rather cowardly way of inflicting injury. It did.
So Mibs, we always come back to the starting point, the chicken and egg syndrome.

As you know, I believe in a first cause, God, and lots of others say that is ridiculous, but offer no other satisfactory explanation.

Hawking believes in simply a spontanous event of something out of nothing, laws and all, for no reason whatsoever.

I simply cannot accept that. It's daft.
On chacka 35's thread a while ago, I used tha analogy of spontanous decoration for his house. He laughed at me naturally, but if we are to accept spontaneous creation, then ahy not spontaneous everything? Like your car keys spontaneously disappearing, and reappearing elsewhere, having travelled through a wormhole in space? Nutty? You betcha! But a level playing field nonetheless.
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Naomi, I consider such a broadly worded question �Do you enjoy being an enigma?� an open invitation to indulge in a wide variety of speculation.

I believe many of the problems associated with human relationships revolve around a lack of understanding the meaning underlying what each other is saying and that such an understanding hinges on first understanding our selves, the reality we live in and our relationship to it and each other. This essential basic understanding is crucial to living in accordance with the demands dictated by our unique nature, as rational animals, both as individuals within the reality we find ourselves and with each other through establishing mutually beneficial relationships.

I find no value and take no pleasure in simply being believed. What I seek is mutual understanding. In the prevailing void of a basic understanding of the nature of reality and the principles that govern reasoning, I find my desire to be understood and to exchange useful ideas a largely but needlessly unprofitable venture. Therefore my focus is in promoting the virtues of reason and of a basic understanding in the hope that some degree of worthwhile exchange can then be established. Constructing such a bridge is a monumental task but a necessary and worthwhile endeavor . . . And so I persist.

Philosophy is not just an interesting diversion enjoyed by those with more time on their hands than good sense. It is a systematic evaluation, study, organization and integration of the beliefs that govern our choices and their consequences. As beings who have evolved to employ and who have come to rely on reason as our means of existing, we all live according to a system of beliefs that for most of us was inherited and is marginally refined as we assimilate into adulthood.
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The philosophy I inherited through my �upbringing� did not provide an essential framework for me to live by so not just a major overhaul but a complete rebuilding from the foundation up was required. As a result of this process I have become quite familiar with the nuts and bolts of the operating system that shapes my thoughts from the roots I was fortunate to have discovered up through the branches that have grown from them.

My intent is not to berate how others live their lives so long as their actions do not exceed the bounds of human freedom and responsibility. I believe I have acquired knowledge that is of import and value to exchange with others who consider this a meaningful and worthwhile enterprise. Realising the potential of what is, could be and protecting and defending ourselves and each other from what should never be and pursuing the benefits to be derived from living with others who appreciate what we mutually stand to gain from knowing about what life is and how to live it is my primary objective.

Those who believe that �appealing to reason�, however lacking it may appear to be, by resorting to force or intimidation, physical or �intellectual� have proved they do not live by reason and are not to be believed, trusted or obeyed. My dream and ambition is to reap the benefits of living among and with other rational, informed, life loving and mind respecting human beings.

If this is what you define as enigmatic then I stand guilty as charged. Contradictions do not exist in reality and should not be allowed to persist in our thinking. When we perceive an apparent contradiction it is the conflicting belief/s that lead to it that should be examined and modified.
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As long as we�re calling each other names ;o) I�ll take advantage of this opportunity to once again remind you of the pleasure I take in following the debates you participate in, many of which provide a rare chance to observe the dynamics of �what happens when an unstoppable force encounters an immovable object�, a spectacle of beauty unmatched by any fireworks display I have ever witnessed. Your ability to wield Occam�s razor with doubly edged precision I find especially impressive and admirable.

You have also on occasion presented a challenge to my own balance that has required some deep and thorough self-examination to recover from and I can think of no better reason for darkening the door of answerbank then to learn to better illuminate my own hallways of reason. You are a rare and shining gem among AB contributors.

Thanks also for investing the time required to make some sense of what I am attempting to communicate in spite of my peculiar and occasionally �challenging� writing style. I welcome and appreciate your interest in and critique of both the message and the presentation. The messenger, however, will remain somewhat of an enigma until relevancy to a specific issue (or more secure channels of communication) can be established.

However . . .
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As I am prone to the tendency to push the envelope to and perhaps occasionally beyond the limit in my explorations for knowledge and truth, I can not resist (in spite of placing myself in great peril of your evaluating what I hope you will find humorous as sarcasm and not entirely confident in my ability to discern the fine line you draw between them) asking a question of a personal nature that has been haunting me unrelentingly over the past few days: You didn�t per chance happen to injure your foot while engaged in the deviously deceptive art of creating crop circles in a dark field somewhere by any chance . . . did you? I wont tell anyone . . . I promise! In any case I deeply regret and do not delight at all in the thought of any of the pain or inconvenience that your injury has caused you to endure and I hope for and wish you a speedy recovery.

After reading this you might well imagine the sort of response one might receive from me to the all so frequently asked open ended and loaded question, �How are you?� So I hope I have not overindulged this privilege to exploit your attention with this presentation of an overview of the message I would like to convey to those such as yourself that I believe might possess a capacity to appreciate it and my attempts to spark an interest in further investigations into its possible merits. I can only hope you share the same fascination with my ideas that I do with yours.
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Theland, Good to see that you�ve once again survived your most frequent excursion into exploring the threshold of your limitations. But what have you done with our China Doll???

�Hawking believes in simply a spontanous event of something out of nothing, laws and all, for no reason whatsoever.�

In a fundamental sense there can be no reason for anything apart from the conditional existence of a being whose very existence depends on its proper use. I encourage you to stick that in you pipe and give it some intense and serious smokage.
mibs, having read your reply once, it has been lovingly copied and pasted into a Word document in order that, before blindly hazarding finger to keyboard in response, I may give it the attention it so clearly deserves.
As they used to say in the music halls,
"How can you follow that?"

A period of respectful silence from me on any subject other than my own trivial news, is therefore offered as a mark of respect to a great mind.

My trivia will follow shortly .......
Well howdy dudy.... I thought you guys would have been noisier than this... So I haven't smoked since whenever it was I said I was cutting down and I'm now really bored of it,, I have to make an effort every day not to. Thing is, now everyone is watching me because I've 'done so well' even though I pointed out that I'm not giving up that I can't find five minutes peace to nipto the shops and buy some... It's bl00dy irritating.

Luna - What's that link? I couldn't work it out, is it a question site?

Theland - Nice tosee you back.

Naomi - No, not the book at all alas. Although I am now reading the count of monte cristo and there's a girl in it called Valentine who I'd like to go back in time and strangle the author for inventing... I tell you her stepmother missed a trick there!
Thelands Daily Trivia.

China, I'm jealous of the fact that you have the time, and more importantly, the will to read a book.
The most serious literature I've read recently, were the defrost instructions on a pair of battered cod fillets.

My cold calling tactics to local shops may have paid off.
I received an application form in the post from Tesco. Not your ordinary supermarket selling beans 'n booze, but the posh bit flogging multi coloured clothes pegs and useless expensive sundries for the home. I've filled it in and returned it, and I'm now slaughtering chickens and burning incense, in a very Christian way of course, in order to evoke a sympathetic ear in the interviewing manager, should I get that far of course.
The application form had its own little section of ten multi choice questions, probably drawn up by an 'ologist, to suss out if the applicant is a team player willing to shed blood for the sake of the business.
Of course that describes me precisely.
The job is only fifteen minute walk away from where I live, or seven minutes on my trusty steed.
Watch this space.
The last of my pension lump sum is spent. Here's what happened.
The missus decides it would be a good idea to move the outside kitchen door from this wall, to that wall. Fair enough. In comes the builder. No problem, a pair of upvc French doors opening into the garden. Great. What about the existing door, just brick it up? Er, no! Brick it half way and put a window in the top half. Hang on! the ouside of the opening is arched, so knock the arch through, and we'll have an arched window. A feature no less. Hang on again! Lets get some coloured glass, a design in the arched window.
So, now we have a huge multi coloured stained glass peacock in the arched window.
Now, we really have a feature, and lots of light in the kitchen.
Kiss the last of the pension goodbye, but Mrs T is happy.
(We're now looking for a name for the peacock!)
roughly similar.
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"The most serious literature I've read recently, were the defrost instructions on a pair of battered cod fillets"

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. . . and furthermore . . .


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Well, battered fish fillets or not, I have my reading material for tonight. I shall catch up with all the news in the morning, but for now, I'm going to bed with mibs. (Just hope he doesn't have cold feet!).

Night everyone. x

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