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Britain First - Paul Golding
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Appears at court today but what of the charges he faces? The 'uniform' charge is bizarre to say the least. Short video in the link where Golding outlines the situation.
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mikey, the mosque is being built on a car park adjacent to the station, which is a key commuting point for workers in London. as well as the loss of that facility, the local council has arranged a deal with the train company for the mosque to block-buy nearly 80 spaces in their own car park. thus aside from the disruption of the building work itself, the resultant...
10:57 Sun 09th Nov 2014
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I think that Simon Danczuk should have compiled his evidence and taken it to the police when Smith was still alive. That way, Smith's victims would have had a chance to get justice.
naomi24 - the key word you used is 'if'. As long as the man in question, the so-called 7/7 plotter, has not be tried in a court of law, then he is as innocent as you or I.
I think that Simon Danczuk should have compiled his evidence and taken it to the police when Smith was still alive. That way, Smith's victims would have had a chance to get justice.
naomi24 - the key word you used is 'if'. As long as the man in question, the so-called 7/7 plotter, has not be tried in a court of law, then he is as innocent as you or I.
Chill, stark perspective indeed. There is little doubt that this guy was linked to the 7\7 bombers. You don't get expelled from your own country for trivial offences either.
We can always rely on our professionals, government and the law to protect us can't we? I think not! The BF's demonstrations at Rotherham, Dover and Rochester among others have amply exposed poor decision making at many levels which is\has affected so many locals whilst those with power fail to be accountable for both their actions and inactions.
We can always rely on our professionals, government and the law to protect us can't we? I think not! The BF's demonstrations at Rotherham, Dover and Rochester among others have amply exposed poor decision making at many levels which is\has affected so many locals whilst those with power fail to be accountable for both their actions and inactions.
agchristie...one of those "poor decisions" that you talk about, in Rochester and Strood, is allowing a Mosque to be built. The only reason that BF don't want the Mosque to be built is because it will attract a overwhelmingly non-white congregation. Now if that is not naked racism, then I don't know what is.
If it was a large new Christian Church that was granted planning permission, then we wouldn't be hearing a peep from BF.
If it was a large new Christian Church that was granted planning permission, then we wouldn't be hearing a peep from BF.
sp1814 - "naomi24 - the key word you used is 'if'. As long as the man in question, the so-called 7/7 plotter, has not be tried in a court of law, then he is as innocent as you or I."
The exact phrase I was going to use.
This man is innocent until found guilty - that's guilty in court, not the brain of this self-righteous individual.
It is not a matter of being a 'bleeding heart' - it's a matter of protecting innocent people, not working on the assumption that because he has been expelled from his country, he must be guilty of terrorism.
The exact phrase I was going to use.
This man is innocent until found guilty - that's guilty in court, not the brain of this self-righteous individual.
It is not a matter of being a 'bleeding heart' - it's a matter of protecting innocent people, not working on the assumption that because he has been expelled from his country, he must be guilty of terrorism.
I don't doubt the democratic right but the motive behind the opposition is important. If this is not about racism, what is it about ?
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An extract from the above link :::
""Police are now investigating the incidents.
In a video shot by Britain First and uploaded to YouTube one of the group said: "Withdraw your application for a new mosque, ok?
"Otherwise we, Britain First, will run a big campaign against you guys personally and also the council and the Imam, yeah?
"You've got a mosque, yeah. We don't want these huge mosques with domes and minarets in our towns with separate entrances for men and women in our country."
Sounds like racism to me !
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An extract from the above link :::
""Police are now investigating the incidents.
In a video shot by Britain First and uploaded to YouTube one of the group said: "Withdraw your application for a new mosque, ok?
"Otherwise we, Britain First, will run a big campaign against you guys personally and also the council and the Imam, yeah?
"You've got a mosque, yeah. We don't want these huge mosques with domes and minarets in our towns with separate entrances for men and women in our country."
Sounds like racism to me !
agchristie - "Andy, I haven't mentioned that he was expelled from Pakistan and must be guilty of terrorism."
I did not suggest you did ag, I am simply using the apparent logic that people like Mr Golding want to use. Fortunately the 'no smoke without fire ...' method of determining guilt does not still hold in the judicial system here.
"Do you not agree that he was ejected for a very serious reason? What can you imagine that was for?"
I don't 'imagine'. I would be willing to hear if he has any history of criminal activity here, but if not, then the above applies.
Thinking someone is guilty because they have been guilty of something elsewhere is no basis for justice, and acting on it under the guise of being some sort of champion of the rights of UK citizens is, as I have advised, self-righteousness of a dangerous degree.
I did not suggest you did ag, I am simply using the apparent logic that people like Mr Golding want to use. Fortunately the 'no smoke without fire ...' method of determining guilt does not still hold in the judicial system here.
"Do you not agree that he was ejected for a very serious reason? What can you imagine that was for?"
I don't 'imagine'. I would be willing to hear if he has any history of criminal activity here, but if not, then the above applies.
Thinking someone is guilty because they have been guilty of something elsewhere is no basis for justice, and acting on it under the guise of being some sort of champion of the rights of UK citizens is, as I have advised, self-righteousness of a dangerous degree.
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diesekdick - "i whole heartedly support britain first and paul golding . they are fighting against the onslaught of radical islam and everything that is wrong in our country ."
Actually, they are fighting what they perceive to be wrong with our contry, which is not the same thing at all. Plus they are not 'fighting' - they are agitating other similarly ill-infomed people to take illgeal action against thus far innocent people. I have no time for these officious individuals who take it upon themselves to cause trouble like this.
" ...and what do all you idiots who put britain first down have say about that ?"
Please do not assume that because i do not support Mr Golding that that equates with not supporting Britain, the two are entirely separate. It is that kind of over-simplistic view that gives ammunition to people like Mr Golding - it's only as simple as going round and 'sorting them out'. It's not.
Actually, they are fighting what they perceive to be wrong with our contry, which is not the same thing at all. Plus they are not 'fighting' - they are agitating other similarly ill-infomed people to take illgeal action against thus far innocent people. I have no time for these officious individuals who take it upon themselves to cause trouble like this.
" ...and what do all you idiots who put britain first down have say about that ?"
Please do not assume that because i do not support Mr Golding that that equates with not supporting Britain, the two are entirely separate. It is that kind of over-simplistic view that gives ammunition to people like Mr Golding - it's only as simple as going round and 'sorting them out'. It's not.
dieseldick, or perhaps just dick for short.
I have made many, many posts of on here about Anjem Choudary in the past and I need no lectures from you. I think he is rabble-rouser on the first order and so do pretty well everybody else on AB, even us left-wingers.
But if you admit to supporting BF, then you run a very real risk of being labeled a fascist and racist, because that sums up BF, the BNP and others organisations of their ilk.
I have made many, many posts of on here about Anjem Choudary in the past and I need no lectures from you. I think he is rabble-rouser on the first order and so do pretty well everybody else on AB, even us left-wingers.
But if you admit to supporting BF, then you run a very real risk of being labeled a fascist and racist, because that sums up BF, the BNP and others organisations of their ilk.
Mikey, \\\sounds like racism to me\\\
Are you quite sure about that? There were no arrests in those incidents among the BF by the way.
Andy, facts have not been tested in court for the outed guy I agree but I am sure that intelligence services have been watching him and information shared with Pakistan. This to me suggests a dangerous individual.
Are you quite sure about that? There were no arrests in those incidents among the BF by the way.
Andy, facts have not been tested in court for the outed guy I agree but I am sure that intelligence services have been watching him and information shared with Pakistan. This to me suggests a dangerous individual.
Chili...I have never accused UKIP of being fascist. UKIP has a number of faults but fascism is not one of them. Their previous reputation of being racist however, was shared with the current Leader of the Tory Party. They seem to have cleaned up their act a lot lately, so I no longer refer to them as racist.
They did deserve that moniker but perhaps not now.
By the way, that is far as going down the road of being nice about Farage and UKIP as I am ever likely to get, so enjoy it at your leisure !
They did deserve that moniker but perhaps not now.
By the way, that is far as going down the road of being nice about Farage and UKIP as I am ever likely to get, so enjoy it at your leisure !
"Ichkeria - \\'it means not a thing'\\
It has to mean something! You can't ignore what is an endorsement of views. "
My point being that all those followers are not endorsing their views, not all of them anyway, as far as anyone can tell.
People seem to be assuming that just because some of the targets of Britain First are undoubtedly bad people, that somehow means that Britain First is not a highly dubious organisation, an offshoot of the BNP inspired by crank religious fundamentalism of the type they claim to oppose (ironically)
I'm reminded of an argument I once had with someone about "Britain First" prototypes a few years ago: there were a crowd of England football supporters in a pub in Belgium during Euro 200 loudly and aggressively singing "No Surrender to the IRA (etc)".
"But there's nothing wrong with not wanting to surrender to the IRA" this person protested, which of course is true generally, but nonetheless in this instance a case of spectacularly missing the point ...
It has to mean something! You can't ignore what is an endorsement of views. "
My point being that all those followers are not endorsing their views, not all of them anyway, as far as anyone can tell.
People seem to be assuming that just because some of the targets of Britain First are undoubtedly bad people, that somehow means that Britain First is not a highly dubious organisation, an offshoot of the BNP inspired by crank religious fundamentalism of the type they claim to oppose (ironically)
I'm reminded of an argument I once had with someone about "Britain First" prototypes a few years ago: there were a crowd of England football supporters in a pub in Belgium during Euro 200 loudly and aggressively singing "No Surrender to the IRA (etc)".
"But there's nothing wrong with not wanting to surrender to the IRA" this person protested, which of course is true generally, but nonetheless in this instance a case of spectacularly missing the point ...
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