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Is This Mother Of A Deaf Child Going Beyond The Bounds Of Common Sense In Her Demands?
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Is she just pushing an agenda? I think she is being unreasonable and trying to make a point.
Is she just pushing an agenda? I think she is being unreasonable and trying to make a point.
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Mamya.....
15:56 Wed 24th Jan 2018
I notice nobody has responded to my earlier comments about it being better to learn the lyrics.
Am I right or am I wrong on this?
Asking for interpreters for lesser known acts will make life more difficult for them and I'm sure many promoters will reduce the number of support acts ... if they actually bother with having one at all.
No.....learning the lyrics doesn't help.......how do you know you're in exactly the right place in the song without an interpreter? That's been explained in links....
Talbot....I think you have children....would you not want them to have the best experience they possibly could if they were at a gig with hearing friends?
Talbot....I think you have children....would you not want them to have the best experience they possibly could if they were at a gig with hearing friends?
gness
No.....learning the lyrics doesn't help.......how do you know you're in exactly the right place in the song without an interpreter?
As has been said there are different levels of hearing. Many would surely no.
Your insistence that interpreters should be across the board would (if it was implemented) send many budding artists back to the daily grind of 9 till 5.
No.....learning the lyrics doesn't help.......how do you know you're in exactly the right place in the song without an interpreter?
As has been said there are different levels of hearing. Many would surely no.
Your insistence that interpreters should be across the board would (if it was implemented) send many budding artists back to the daily grind of 9 till 5.
“LOL...well my knowledge of the Law is Nil, but my impression is that LittleMix entered into a legally binding agreement with the mother to produce a signer for the concert.
This they failed to do for the whole of the concert ( if that was the "deal") and hence the mother feels that she needs some "Recompense"
That's it really.”
But that isn’t why she’s taking the matter to court, sqad. As I understand it, she’s doing so not for breach of contract but under the Equalities Act. She is alleging that the promoters breached that law.
“Is that from your experiences attending shows and concerts with deaf people? (Though you didn't answer when I asked you this before)”
Sorry I ignored you. I have no experience of attending pop concerts with deaf people. It may make a difference and some promoters have taken that on board by providing signers. But that does not make it an obligation under the Equalities Act.
There are elements among disability rights campaigners who seem to misinterpret the law. The law says that “…any organisation supplying a service to the public is under a duty to make reasonable adjustments to ensure that a disabled person's experience is as close as possible to that of someone without a disability”. It does not say they must make any adjustments that anybody else sees fit. Providing signers as a matter of course is not (again in my view) a reasonable adjustment. Providing them whenever somebody asks is similarly not reasonable. Further than that, providing them on the basis that it will make the experience “…as close as possible to that of someone without a disability” is highly subjective. But as I said, the matter needs testing in court and I hope it is.
This they failed to do for the whole of the concert ( if that was the "deal") and hence the mother feels that she needs some "Recompense"
That's it really.”
But that isn’t why she’s taking the matter to court, sqad. As I understand it, she’s doing so not for breach of contract but under the Equalities Act. She is alleging that the promoters breached that law.
“Is that from your experiences attending shows and concerts with deaf people? (Though you didn't answer when I asked you this before)”
Sorry I ignored you. I have no experience of attending pop concerts with deaf people. It may make a difference and some promoters have taken that on board by providing signers. But that does not make it an obligation under the Equalities Act.
There are elements among disability rights campaigners who seem to misinterpret the law. The law says that “…any organisation supplying a service to the public is under a duty to make reasonable adjustments to ensure that a disabled person's experience is as close as possible to that of someone without a disability”. It does not say they must make any adjustments that anybody else sees fit. Providing signers as a matter of course is not (again in my view) a reasonable adjustment. Providing them whenever somebody asks is similarly not reasonable. Further than that, providing them on the basis that it will make the experience “…as close as possible to that of someone without a disability” is highly subjective. But as I said, the matter needs testing in court and I hope it is.
Well I am deaf (nerve deafness) and so I have been lipreading from when I was about two (just came naturally).
I never needed to learn sign language but wholly depended on lipreading. If I was totally in the dark I would have put my fingers to the talker's mouth and "felt" the words.
To Talbot - yes from an early age I would have asked my "singing" brothers to let me have a loan of their singing sheets and then I would have written them in my little "red" book. And over the years I have memorised many songs via the internet.
However, because of this "great" knowledge of songs I never could convince my future friends that I was as deaf as I was/am.
Am now 90%/10% hearing/loss.
So in effect interpreters don't do it for me but boy do I love my subtitles.
Deafness comes in many stages/levels.
Well done to you Gness for fighting so hard on behalf of the deaf. x
I never needed to learn sign language but wholly depended on lipreading. If I was totally in the dark I would have put my fingers to the talker's mouth and "felt" the words.
To Talbot - yes from an early age I would have asked my "singing" brothers to let me have a loan of their singing sheets and then I would have written them in my little "red" book. And over the years I have memorised many songs via the internet.
However, because of this "great" knowledge of songs I never could convince my future friends that I was as deaf as I was/am.
Am now 90%/10% hearing/loss.
So in effect interpreters don't do it for me but boy do I love my subtitles.
Deafness comes in many stages/levels.
Well done to you Gness for fighting so hard on behalf of the deaf. x
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