Is This Mother Of A Deaf Child Going Beyond The Bounds Of Common Sense In Her Demands?

[dave50]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42776454
Is she just pushing an agenda? I think she is being unreasonable and trying to make a point.

[Peter Pedant]

// NJ's posts are evidence of the ignorance and lack of understanding // o god leave the fella alone.

My brothers lip reading classes ( inherited late onset deafness), the punters feel obliged to spend the first 15 m saying how badly they have been treated that week in the street.

whereas at my signing class - we just got on wivvit.
I did see the clip of the signer in Little Mix and thought you would need a telescope to see her BUT I went to a signed ballet ( Brum ) and it was deffo worthwhile. Nice Girls tho' dunno if they can sing.

[sapelesam]

Whatever we think of Trumpland, I'm always amazed to see signers at nearly all US press conferences, usually shootings and other disasters. We need to catch up, having a disability in the UK must be a nightmare.

[gness]

Your post at 15.56, NJ shows a staggering lack of knowledge and understanding......discuss it with a deaf person before posting something like this.
What has really surprised me is your unwillingness to learn....and your belief that you're right......

What is your experience of attending concerts with both hearing and deaf young adults......have you not witnessed the difference a signer can make?

By saying that Wuthering Heights in semaphore would make more sense than signing at a concert is an example of your complete ignorance on this subject.....I can hardly believe that you have posted that.

[Baldric]

My original Post on this thread @ 11:23 was purely aimed at the Woman who features in the article, but in was picked up and run with by one of our Holierthanthouers with lots of mild unpleasantness involved,such is life.

[New Judge]

"By saying that Wuthering Heights in semaphore would make more sense than signing at a concert is an example of your complete ignorance on this subject"

Tell me why it wouldn't. Wuthering Heights is far less dependent on audio stimulus than a pop concert is. In fact you can read the book and still have a pleasant experience.

This is not a question of being right or wrong, it is a matter of opinion (to which, of course, we're all entitled). It is very unfortunate that some people are deaf and signing is a very useful way of enabling them to communicate effectively. But (and only in my opinion) signing at a pop concert is simply superfluous. It doesn’t, by any stretch, make the experience “as close as possible to that of someone without a disability” and that’s what the Equality Act sets out to achieve. If a promoter wants to provide the service, good for her or him. But the Equality Act should not be used as an instrument to force businesses to provide facilities which do not meet the requirements of the Act. Hopefully this will reach court and we shall see whose opinion is nearest the mark.

[Jackdaw33]

I wholeheartedly agree with NJ. This case shouldn't even get through the court door.

[Sqad]

LOL...well my knowledge of the Law is Nil, but my impression is that LittleMix entered into a legally binding agreement with the mother to produce a signer for the concert.
This they failed to do for the whole of the concert ( if that was the "deal") and hence the mother feels that she needs some "Recompense"

That's it really.

[gness]

Doesn't make it as close as possible, NJ?.......
Is that from your experiences attending shows and concerts with deaf people? (Though you didn't answer when I asked you this before)

My opinion comes from many years of experience and from seeing the difference as more and more venues began to provide signers....

So both of us can't be right.......I am.

[-Talbot-]

Gness and others ... Do you support her action to sue because a signer was not there for the support acts?

[gness]

Talbot......yes, if it clarifies the law on this issue and thereby encourages other promoters to observe the law fully.....
She paid for tickets for the full concert.......x

[-Talbot-]

So how small a gig would you go ... every gig no matter?

[Baldric]

and she was offered free tickets to bring her own 'Carers'

[Jackdaw33]

The lunatics have definitely taken over the asylum, that's for sure.

[gness]

No, Talbot....if we go to the pub for a folk night with one deaf friend of course not....
A large gig/concert/show selling tickets to the public.....then yes.

Baldric.. if you'd bothered to read what has been posted...or even think about a deaf person watching a show you'd know why that was unacceptable.

[-Talbot-]

I have been to many gigs were there is hardly enough room for the band never mind a signer.

I notice nobody has responded to my earlier comments about it being better to learn the lyrics.

Does the signer have to learn the lyrics or do they listen and then interpret?

[gness]

Jackdaw...I have tried to answer on this thread as best I can from my experiences.....and hoped one or two folk would read the links....look at a video and maybe understand what this means for a deaf person.

Your comment has added nothing.

[gness]

I'll put this up again for you, Talbot.....it's a signer rehearsing as the band rehearsed...hope it helps....x