Tommy Robinson

[spathiphyllum]

Tommy Robinson has had his facebook and instagram account terminated. Facebook says he has continually violated its community standards with hate speech against Muslims.

Is you use social media in ways that violate their policies around organised hate then surely you're a bad person?

[spathiphyllum]

if you think these allegations have no foundation or basis in fact then maybe read some of the articles in the thread provided.

[spathiphyllum]

Naomi, bit more specifically then...

He was removed due to a post calling on people to terrorise and behead those who follow the Qur’an; a post calling on people to “make war” on Muslims; and multiple videos showing people being bullied.

[naomi24]

Spath, //You should be happy people are finally standing up to unjust.//

I'm certainly happy that he stood up to the unjust. It's difficult to get my head around the mentality of people who aren't.

[spathiphyllum]

I understand what he says about terrorists, fair play! but for simple muslim boys and girls going about their life, heading to school etc.. what he says is destroying their lifes and is getting them bullied, beaten up and abused.

[Mamyalynne]

Spath, I've done all that - there may well be archives of exactly what went on on the now removed pages but I am not interested enough to search for them.

I have no strong opinions on this bloke one way or t'other and have only ever clicked through to him on a link on AB.

As I said earlier, with AB and other outlets he'll bat on.

[spathiphyllum]

TR doesn't differentiate between a radicalised extremist and Muslim school boys and girls getting on with their life. That is the issue. The guys a nutter.

[naomi24]

spath, they weren't his posts.

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - // You can spout your vitriol venom and spleen to your hearts content with regards to Mr Robinson. //

A little hysterical, but thanks for the go-ahead.

You call yourself a debater but at the end of the day this OP ended precisely as I expected . //

I don't 'call myself' anything, and at the time of writing, the OP has not ended, so I am not sure what you expected, but again, I am not especially bothered.

// You argue on what other people say or write but cannot be bothered to read any of the alleged crimes that Mr Robinson has committed. I would of thought you have time enough to form your own opinion on the facts and not what other people think.. //

I have, as I am entitled to do, formed and expressed an opinion about 'Tommy Robinson', without needing to have read every one of his tedious pointless ramblings.

I notice you do not seem to need to have read everything I have written in order to express your forthright opinions about me!

But that is fine, you form your opinion, as do I, that is how debate works, so if I'm not expecting you to read everything I say, I am sure you will not expect me to do the same before deciding a view on 'Tommy Robinson'.

// That is what I meant and you know what hearsay means or may be you are acting ignorant. //

I don't 'act' anything, and I do know what hearsay means.

But this OP, and my posts concerning it, are not related to hearsay, but to facts.

'Tommy Robinson' has been suspended for posts he has made that contravene the regulations applying to the media sites he uses - that is not hearsay, that is a fact.

The reasons why he has been suspended - the posts he has made - have not been advised thus far on the thread, but you will note that I have not referred to his posts in this context - merely commented on the situating as I see it.

That is what we do on here, we observe, we discuss, we opine, we debate - there is no 'trial', by 'hearsay' or otherwise.

Happy to have cleared up any misunderstanding.

[spathiphyllum]

"spath, they weren't his posts."

What were his posts?

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // andy-hughes, //I have no reason to assume that his message has radically changed//

Okay, you claim you know what his message is, so I'll ask again. What did he say? //

As a rule, or specifically, in order to get his account terminated?

As a rule - "Muslims are very very bad people who want to take over our country and murder us in our beds .." - or variations thereon ad nauseum.

Specifically in order to get his account terminated - I have absolutely no idea.

[naomi24]

spath, you tell me. All you've referred to are comments made on his page by other people.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //"Muslims are very very bad people who want to take over our country and murder us in our beds .." //

You can bet your bottom dollar he never said that - but don't let that stop you.

[spathiphyllum]

Ah OK so you know that they were't his posts, but you don't know what his posts were?
I'm getting my info live from the guardian, you're just speculating and hoping.
They were his posts, an they were the reason he's now banned from social media (IG, FB and twitter).
But of course he managed to get himself banned from twitter long before this event.

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - // You are charged with going equipped to steal namely things.
What things my Lord?
Well things to steal with.
What specific things was I equipped with to go stealing?
Things to help you steal with. Do I have to spell it out. Guilty as charged. //

That's an utterly meaningless, and frankly bizarre analogy!

[retrocop]

Naomi
I would hate to play Poker with some on AB. Their Trump (what he allegedly said) out trumps what he disclosed i.e. th systematic grooming by Muslim/Asian gangs on vulnerable young children plus the complicity of the Rochdale Labour predominant Muslim Council and cover up by the Chief Constable of the Police Authority. The threats made to social sevice whistleblowers etc etc.
That counts for nothing for those who preside at the Kangaroo courts and cannot cite anything specific except what they heard.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // andy-hughes, //"Muslims are very very bad people who want to take over our country and murder us in our beds .." //

You can bet your bottom dollar he never said that - but don't let that stop you. //

OK - how about this - "Muslims intend to take over the country and establish a caliphate and Sharia law …"

Not word for word, but I am willing to be that that is the gist - and I am sure you will not be shooting that down quite so eagerly!

[spathiphyllum]

Naomi and retrocop, if you allow people to post on a page that is in your name, things that don't follow with your ethics and morals then you're just as stupid as you are if you wrote that info yourself.

Fact is TR had many many warnings, but the main issue is TR doesn't even realise his issues, so of course he carried on promoting hate, which resulted in his social accounts being closed.

Probably for the best.

[retrocop]

//That's an utterly meaningless, and frankly bizarre analogy! //

Only if you are in obtuse mode and act dumb. Like you are unaware of the meaning of hearsay.
I think my analogy is perfectly clear to those who are 'not het up at the heat of the moment'

[naomi24]

spath, //They were his posts//

Now you're making it up.

//a post calling on people to terrorise and behead those who follow the Qur’an; a post calling on people to “make war” on Muslims; and multiple videos showing people being bullied. //

Had he posted that you know as well as I do that he'd have been hauled before the courts.... but again, don't let that stop you.

[agchristie]

Maybe he will just open new accounts under a,er, pseudonym?