Nhs Crisis

[diddlydo]

This is where we end up after 9 years of Tory mis-rule. Is this what the Tories on this site feel proud of? See:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50397856

[Spicerack]

diddlydo//Apologies - "put" should read "our" (touch typing never my strong point//
Did the ED 'tidy up' your OP.

[mushroom25]

//There would be far fewer people in A&E if they could get a GP appointment without waiting for 2 weeks. //

true enough. but why is that? could it have anything to do with the GMS contracts negotiated with GPs in 2004 which saw their work commitment slashed? now which party was in power when that happened?

[retrocop]

now which party was in power when that happened?

Labour ?

[Spicerack]

Mozz. More people=more pressure on a service. Can't you work that out?

[Sqad]

TheNHS as always been haemorrhaging money and struggling to fill positions.
It has become much worse, as people are living longer and also the uncontrolled immigration.
In 1996 Gordon Brown (Labour) did a deal with the BMA (Drs Union) for the GP's which the BME could hardly believe..........less hours for more pay (how do you like that?) which meant that when one wanted a medical consultation A&E was the first port of call and hence increase pressure on this dept.
Just watch Body and Soul on AB and see the number of responses which say:

"Seek medical advice immediately"
"Go straight to A&E"

The public are now looking upon A&E as a replacement to the GP much more than ever before.

Has anybody wondered why drs wanted to "jump ship" from the "Envy of the World" and so many places remain unfilled?
Might it be that the conditions of service in state managed medicine might not be providing a satisfying working environment?

From the patient's point of view, they have never known any other system of health care but for medical and para medical staff, it may not be the paradise that one would imagine.......plus....you don't knowingly have to put your hand in your pocket.

[roopower]

Parts of the NHS are suffering from the results of their successes. Due to training of paramedics and HEMS doctors being able to intubate, give blood transfusions etc at the incident site many people are living and having to spend long periods in hospital when they would have died at scene not so long ago. Also,like schools, they are often tied to suppliers. My son bought me a box of wipes from Amazon for £7, identical wipes used by his hospital, £22.

[retrocop]

I think it's safe to write that since I care to remember we have always had a NHS in crisis about this time of year. It's like the shortage of sprouts for Christmas!!
Even if we had no election looming the situation in health never seems to alter at this time of year. More elderly patients who are vulnerable to Flu,Norovirus and hypothermia usually racks up the bed crisis each winter.

[Bazile]

Wasn't there a party that pledged to cut immigration numbers to less than 100,000 a year by 2022.

That target , has not been met since it was set in 2009.

[Ryzen]

A few years ago I had a bad facial swelling..went to see the GP 3 times and was sent to hospital...was on a drip and other meds for 3 days.Seen many doctors/consultants over the 3 days and was sent home on day 4 with no meaningful diagnosis.
A few years later the same problem returned ..with attitude.This time I was in Spain..went straight to hospital (EHIC had expired by 2 days)..Was in triage within 5 mins..seen a consultant within 30 mins...scan within 45 mins.blood test and results within the hour..given meds and back to the hotel within 90 mins..£240 all in and cured..miracle!!...what did my NHS experience cost.

[ummmm]

I was ill back in the summer. I cannot fault my treatment (besides one of the paramedics being a complete ass)

[mallyh]

when we go abroad no insurance no treatment ,it should work for people from abroad when they come here .

[ummmm]

Well you do get treated you just have to pay and it isn't cheap.

[Ryzen]

I agree mal...when I told them my EHIC had expired they just wanted a credit card.

[Mozz71]

//More people=more pressure on a service. Can't you work that out?//

Better working conditions and better pay for NHS staff, better facilities, better prospects=more people willing to train as doctors or nurses. Can't you work that out?

[naomi24]

^And all paid for from the bottomless pit of money. Yep!

[Mozz71]

Well, maybe if politicians spent less time lining their own pockets and instead paid the highly skilled medical workforce the kind of money they deserve, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[naomi24]

Hmmmm ..... so the money politicians make would pay for all you want in the NHS. Err .... okay, Mozz. :o/

[hereIam]

Sick of people blaming the 'ageing population'! This so called ageing population have helped to pay for the NHS with their taxes and NI payments, so they deserve to be treated. All the immigrants flooding this country, do not !!! I visited A & E a few years ago and it is fair to say that there were more foreigners with hoards of kids waiting for treatment than there were oidinary white folk like myself who paid taxes, rates and NI for the 43 years I worked full-time. Don't care if anyone thinks this is racist, it happens to be TRUE ...

[retrocop]

I agree. hereiam. I will be attending the Royal Marsden tomorrow. The two large waiting halls will be a sea of brown faces. Most with their paid interpreters by the NHS{ taxpayers}

[webbo3]

I get people from all over the world at my emergency desk on a morning, some have been in the uk for years and can speak very good English, some for years and can't speak a word of English.

we have regular patients that have been coming to the hospital for years and still need a translator costing £60 a time