Will Boris Do A U-Turn On Christmas?

[diddlydo]

For once he would be right to stop the Christmas free-for-all. He might then come across to more people as a leader.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/14/no-10-urged-to-rethink-christmas-covid-rules-to-head-off-rise-in-cases

[emmie]

measles too, chicken pox..all children killers.

[mallyh]

Emmie my grandad died of TB on the way back from India and is buried in gibraltar my grandma died soon after landing in england my dad and his siblings were put in an orphanage ,so so sad

[Bobbisox1]

Gosh that is sad Mallyh

[dannyk13]

Emmie//but it doesn't seem as though the young are getting this virus,//
Some are :-

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/coronavirus-tragic-number-young-healthy-18471098

[rowanwitch]

We stopped the country to protect those who would have a high risk of early death
We spent a disproportionate amount of the country's economy stopping people working who were unlikely to suffer serious effects from the disease to protect those who may no longer contribute . The argument that I worked all my life doesn't work because when we worked we were paying for the pensions of our parents, and the services we And they used at the time. The burden has grown, more families have great grandparents, now the current working generation have to pay for an increasingly large number of older people with more conditions that are treatable sometimes at ridiculous high cost. Finding cures for killer viruses like polio protected the young we are now wrecking the economy to protect the old increasing the burden on succeeding generations. I think one day someone must say Stop we cannot do this forever.

[emmie]

yes it is sad Mally, my granddad died age 39, my mum nearly died from it aged 18 months.

[emmie]

Rowan mankind at least in the west has found ways of stopping these killer virus, that;s progress surely.

[emmie]

perhaps the government got it wrong from the start, who knows but we are here now with the ability to vaccinate large swathes of the population, if they want it.

[emmie]

Danny some but not that many. Compare that to the childhood illnesses of yesteryear, killed millions, just like the spanish flu killed millions worldwide.

[mallyh]

seriously what about his and his mugs x

[emmie]

mally?

[mallyh]

oh for goodness sake wrong place x

[emmie]

wrong thread perhaps....

[emmie]

never mind we have all done it

[youngmafbog]

Well in case anyone is unsure I too am in the Naomi, NJ, 10C, JD camp.

As for the OP, it would be pointless Johnson doing a u-turn since many people have now got to the point of "Do one Johnson" and will carryon come what may. Lack of information, dodgy graphs and fearmonging by the idiot Hammond together with Witless and GSK-Valance (Shame GSK seem to have cocked up their vaccine eh Vallance) have seen to that.

Far from coming across as a leader I think it would have the opposite effect.

[emmie]

possibly YMB, as you say many may be ignoring whatever is said.

[bobbinwales]

//Lack of information, dodgy graphs and fearmonging by the idiot Hammond together with Witless and GSK-Valance (Shame GSK seem to have cocked up their vaccine eh Vallance) have seen to that./

Codswallop,.

You keep talking about dodgy graphs.
The fact is the scientists have been proved right with there warnings. It was the public and many politicians who misjudged things .

Am grateful we've got Vallance, Van Tam, Whitty. They speak far more sense than you lets face it.

And whose Hammond?

[youngmafbog]

Get back behind your sofa Bobi.

I speak far more sense than your little finger. The graphs were proved to be dodgy.

Hammond is Hancock, I guess you are so ruddy perfect you never make a mistake though.

[Untitled]

"living with" the virus will result in a huge amount of death which will destroy the economy anyway it isnt a solution.

[jim360]

It may be that, in October, the worst-case scenario was over-emphasised instead of a more reasonable scenario, but the fact remains that the second wave has so far accounted for in the region of 20,000 lives, and an excess mortality of around 15%-20%, which is still a lot.

It's also more or less inevitable, now, that we ended the second lockdown too early for it to have had enough of an effect. The average daily death toll (seven-day rolling average of announced deaths) from Covid in the UK has hovered between 400-470 since around November 10th (peak: 467 on the 24th), and is set to rise from that.

Continuing to downplay the threat that Covid places is going to cost yet more lives. We have to hope that people are sensible over Christmas, otherwise the brief respite will sadly have a deadly cost for some families, more than was necessary, over the coming couple of months. The undoubted benefits from the vaccine simply won't come fast enough to prevent this.