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Well if it does it'll be primarily your beloved Noo Labour's fault me old china, for enacting the devolution catastrophe. Is it time to reverse that and bring the Union back together? TBH I think England will thrive without the millstones of Wales, Scotland and NI anyway so it's them that need to get their April in gear.
Well if it does it'll be primarily your beloved Noo Labour's fault me old china, for enacting the devolution catastrophe. Is it time to reverse that and bring the Union back together? TBH I think England will thrive without the millstones of Wales, Scotland and NI anyway so it's them that need to get their April in gear.
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I’m afraid I really don’t get where you’re coming from. When you said this: "...but the British seem to be rapidly giving up on Britain." I assumed that by “Britain” you meant the political entity that was Britain. But in the last few posts you seem more concerned about the niceties of what the remainder should be called were Scotland to gain independence
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untitled: "No Tora I am just referring to basic facts" - you mean it's your opinion, logic dictates that if 92% of something remains it is still what it was, if a spider loses a leg it's still a spider, that is simple logic.
"Do you understand that the history of the United Kingdom as a state begins with the 1707 Union? Which countries were party to that Union? What do you think happens to the United Kingdom if the Act of Union is repealed? " - I do understand and one state leaving leaves the others.
Tell you what, find me what the experts say, I googled but I can't find anything that says the UK is ended if Scotland leave.
"Do you understand that the history of the United Kingdom as a state begins with the 1707 Union? Which countries were party to that Union? What do you think happens to the United Kingdom if the Act of Union is repealed? " - I do understand and one state leaving leaves the others.
Tell you what, find me what the experts say, I googled but I can't find anything that says the UK is ended if Scotland leave.
> ellipsis: "What will its full title be if Scotland leaves? " - err the same, Great Britain and Northern Ireland will still exist.
> untitled, 11:05, Is that your own view or do you have expert backing you can point me at?
You could read a history book or two? Or even the Wikipedia entry for the United Kingdom:
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The union between the Kingdom of England (which included Wales) and the Kingdom of Scotland in 1707 to form the Kingdom of Great Britain, followed by the union in 1801 of Great Britain with the Kingdom of Ireland created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Five-sixths of Ireland seceded from the UK in 1922, leaving the present formulation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The UK's name was adopted in 1927 to reflect the change.
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In other words the "Great Britain" in the UK's full name is the Kingdom of Great Britain, not the island of Great Britain. The Kingdom of Great Britain will no longer exist. So, what will the UK be called?
> untitled, 11:05, Is that your own view or do you have expert backing you can point me at?
You could read a history book or two? Or even the Wikipedia entry for the United Kingdom:
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The union between the Kingdom of England (which included Wales) and the Kingdom of Scotland in 1707 to form the Kingdom of Great Britain, followed by the union in 1801 of Great Britain with the Kingdom of Ireland created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Five-sixths of Ireland seceded from the UK in 1922, leaving the present formulation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The UK's name was adopted in 1927 to reflect the change.
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In other words the "Great Britain" in the UK's full name is the Kingdom of Great Britain, not the island of Great Britain. The Kingdom of Great Britain will no longer exist. So, what will the UK be called?
ah - interesing article from the Scottish Herald here:
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...and I quote: "The 1707 Act is the ultimate authorising legislation – it is the authority for the Westminster Parliament. So if you repeal the Act, you stand to risk losing 300 years of laws, treaties, statutory regulations, and so on, creating legal chaos.
It would take many years to wade through these so the only practical legal mechanism to effect independence would be to retain the Act of Union and amend it to enable a treaty to be negotiated. This was exactly the issue faced by the Irish negotiators in
1921. Thus, the 1801 Act of Union was retained"
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...and I quote: "The 1707 Act is the ultimate authorising legislation – it is the authority for the Westminster Parliament. So if you repeal the Act, you stand to risk losing 300 years of laws, treaties, statutory regulations, and so on, creating legal chaos.
It would take many years to wade through these so the only practical legal mechanism to effect independence would be to retain the Act of Union and amend it to enable a treaty to be negotiated. This was exactly the issue faced by the Irish negotiators in
1921. Thus, the 1801 Act of Union was retained"
Tora you have made it painfully clear that you do not understand - or care to understand - what the union is, and why it is central to the united kingdom. The Act of Union - between England and Scotland - is what makes the United Kingdom, the United Kingdom. If Scotland leaves it, the Act of Union must be repealed... if you wish to actually learn some history i strongly recommend this radio 4 series by the historian Linda Colley (her books are good too):
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Britain derives from Britannia, the Roman name for England, not Scotland, which was Caledonia. The French use Great Britain to distinguish it from Little Britain (Brittany) which was colonised by Britons fleeing the Saxon invasions. This is because the French name in both cases is the same - Bretagne.
untitled: "Tora you have made it painfully clear that you do not understand - or care to understand " You have not made it clear you have tried to bulldoze me with your view, many have tried that, it doesn't work without logical reasoning and knowledge. I have a very thorough understanding, I just do not agree with your view and neither it seems does Bill Brown of the Scottish Herald, did you read that link?
untitled: "If Scotland leaves it, the Act of Union must be repealed.." - Bill Brown explains very well why it will not be in his excellent article in the Scottish Herald:
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once a gain I paste the link in the hope you can read it and digest its contents.
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once a gain I paste the link in the hope you can read it and digest its contents.
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