As Bad As Fgm ?

[Canary42]

Baby's ears pierced.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/post/138477226104/katie-prices-sparks-internet-debate-after-getting

[Retrochic]

Lets cut to the chase here why not. Babies with pierced ears usually come from certain 'factions' of society - some are cultural ( Asian, Gypsy etc) some fashionable -certain people call them 'common'. Considering the social demography of AB I doubt very few on here has children or grandchildren with ears pierced from being a baby. Katie Price has done what most women from her background would do - its not mutilation its just common.

[ummmm]

Andy - I didn't say I agreed with it. Just that's it's not mutilation.

Having an injection is more painful than ear piercing if done with a professional gun.

Ear piercing is acceptable so much so that they are included in school uniform rules.

[andy-hughes]

gness's link made my blood boil and made me cry simultaneously for the length of time it took to get my headphones off so I couldn't hear that poor little mite screaming.

Ummmm - no-one appears to have told her that 'it doesn't hurt'.

If that is not cruelty, then I don't know what is.

Utterly utterly unforgiveable.

[ummmm]

True, Woof. I'll change that to it didn't hurt me or my kids (the kids weren't babies)

[Retrochic]

Andy -the baby was crying before her ears were done

[B00]

After watching that im utterly appalled why any parent would ant to inflict that much pain on their children.

Yes the pain is momentarily, but I for one wouldn't want to inflict one nano second of pain to my daughters (or sons if I had any) and I'm utterly flummoxed why anyone else would.

It was horrible viewing :-(

[woofgang]

Ummm, it happens to children and the schools can’t control it which is why the schools have rules about it. That doesn’t make it acceptable IMO. While personally I don’t like to see children with pierced ears, I think the issue is different when they are at an age when they can ask to have it done. Babies can’t choose and that IMO is what makes it mutilation and unacceptable.

[-Talbot-]

The variance of English language allows usage of words outwith their dictionary definition in order to emphasise a point.


Maybe spellcheck changed exaggerate into emphasise?

[ummmm]

And that's why I'm not watching it.

[andy-hughes]

Retrochic - //Andy -the baby was crying before her ears were done //

Yes she was - because her parents were mauling her around in order to present her ear to a stranger so she could punch a hole through it.

And she was certainly crying a hell of a lot more after that was done to her.

Having watched that, do you seriously think that this is an acceptable way to treat a defenceless baby?

I don't.

[Sqad]

What a palaver over a simple procedure that baby will have forgotten within hours.

[ummmm]

Woof - I really don't agree with it. Just think calling it mutilation is a bit strong.

As far as I'm concerned you should not do anything to decorate a person that can't speak, besides clothe them.

[woofgang]

sqad, how do you know that? Is there research?

[andy-hughes]

Boo - //After watching that im utterly appalled why any parent would ant to inflict that much pain on their children.

Yes the pain is momentarily, but I for one wouldn't want to inflict one nano second of pain to my daughters (or sons if I had any) and I'm utterly flummoxed why anyone else would.

It was horrible viewing :-( //

Absolutely!

Comparing ear piercing with an injection is nonsense - no-one has their baby injected for pointless vanity reasons.

My youngest is nearly twenty-seven, and I can still recall my distress at taking her for her immunisation, and the way she cried when it was done.

It was necessary, but that didn't make me feel one iota better about putting her through it.

The notion that I pay someone else to hurt her deliberately in order to satisfy my twisted notion of fashion is something I cannot begin to comprehend.

[B00]

And you think its fair to have your child hurt for your own vanity sqad?

[ummmm]

Andy - I was only comparing the pain, not the reasons.

[andy-hughes]

Sqad - //What a palaver over a simple procedure that baby will have forgotten within hours. //

That may be so - but that does not justify it.

If I were to take you and hold you down while someone punched a hole through your ear without your knowledge or consent, would you 'forget about it within hours?

Or would the pain be compounded by the fact that you were assaulted and maimed for absolutely not value to whatsoever, and there was nothing you could do about it?

Of course, there is the small saving grace that you are a stranger, so I wouldn't have to endure the moral vacuum needed to do that to a tiny baby I had helped to conceive.

[Sqad]

BOO....no I don't, but many people do, the Spaniards have it done almost routinely.

My point is all this "Oh I couldn't bear to inflict pain on my child" and "mutilation".......going on for nearly 100 posts in my opinion is a "PALAVER" but typical of AB.

[andy-hughes]

ummmm - //Andy - I was only comparing the pain, not the reasons. //

I could probably walk out into the street and find a total stranger, and reasonably assume that a punch in the face would not hurt him. It wouldn't benefit him in any way either, but that's beside the point.

I would not be able to justify my action in court on the basis that the man appeared to suffer no pain - it's still assault on a stranger for no good reason.

But babies are not able to consent, or resist, so the idea that it may not hurt is really beside the point.

Who would let their child find out the hard way? I wouldn't.

[Sqad]

Andy....you have made your point, others disagree.............