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Right here goes...... I honestly don't want to start a big debate but for all the muslims out here can someone eplain what your religion is all about?
From what i have seen so far it is very oppressive very negative and also very dogmatic in the way you live your life.
anyone wanna try and change my media influenced views on muslim culture?
and please no-one start raving on about how bad all muslims are- they cant all be bad so i just want someone to explain to me on an unhostile thread what they're all about.
From what i have seen so far it is very oppressive very negative and also very dogmatic in the way you live your life.
anyone wanna try and change my media influenced views on muslim culture?
and please no-one start raving on about how bad all muslims are- they cant all be bad so i just want someone to explain to me on an unhostile thread what they're all about.
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There are no similar rules for men. If a woman in Saudi is raped, she needs 4 men to testify that it actually happened - or she could face the death penalty. It would not matter if she was with 40 women at the time - their evidence would not be worth a carrot, as they as women are not worth a carrot.
Last week a woman was arrested in the same country for being in a cafe with a man (who...wait for it) was not a relative. How dare she!! What a *****, a harlot!
Last week a woman was arrested in the same country for being in a cafe with a man (who...wait for it) was not a relative. How dare she!! What a *****, a harlot!
Keyplus, I've just read your answer to me. What a troublemaker you are. You say you have respect for women, but you don't like those who are smart enough to catch you out in your lies, and strong enough to challenge your arrogance, do you? No surprise you tell me that if I dress as a Muslim my husband will still love me. Oh, I see, I'm supposed to be grateful for that. Of course. That's my rightful place, eh? Right, now I'm getting the hang of it now.
My husband would probably have me committed if I dressed as a Muslim. Very helpful. Thanks for that Skyplus.
My husband would probably have me committed if I dressed as a Muslim. Very helpful. Thanks for that Skyplus.
One thing I do admit, Muslims are becoming more and more important in this country, Just look at this how many views this question has attracted so far. And how many really know about Muslims here.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I will have to think about this. And I really appreciate the knowledge of the one who said If a woman is raped, she need four MEN Witness, I am a Muslim and so far I have not read that any where, Yes I do know what really is there, and does make a lot of sense. Of course when Bin men will start writing books on medicine then all the council workers will become doctors.
Perhaps, before you again make accusations of ignorance against other posters, ought to read the Koran, specifically:
Sura 2:282, that establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's
Sura (24:4), that states that a woman making an accusation of rape must bring four male witnesses or be flogged
Sura (24:13), that states that unless four male witnesses are provided, the rape accusation must be regarded as a lie.
Perhaps the Biblical verse about removing the log from your own eye is applicable here?
Sura 2:282, that establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's
Sura (24:4), that states that a woman making an accusation of rape must bring four male witnesses or be flogged
Sura (24:13), that states that unless four male witnesses are provided, the rape accusation must be regarded as a lie.
Perhaps the Biblical verse about removing the log from your own eye is applicable here?
The sad thing is that people mistake the doctrine for the people.
Amir Khan's a Muslim. Do you think he believes in jihad and stoning women? I seriously doubt it.
Combing through the Koran in order to transpose archaic teachings onto the personalities of billions of people is off-beam. You could just as easily do it with the Bible - and then apply those teachings to every living Westerner.
And yes, I've seen footage of the Taliban and youtube videos of sharia cruelty. I've also seen the film of the Jonestown massacre. And I've seen I-don't-know-how-many documentaries of slack-jawed American yokel Christians speaking in tongues and castigating homosexuals. I don't carry that memory with me every time I meet a new American or citizen of a Christian country - like Germany or Britain or Spain. It would be ridiculous.
By all means, abhor the teachings or dissect the fantasy that is religion. But adopting this blanket Daily Mail mistrust/hatred of 'Muslims' and Muslim countries is just dire.
Amir Khan's a Muslim. Do you think he believes in jihad and stoning women? I seriously doubt it.
Combing through the Koran in order to transpose archaic teachings onto the personalities of billions of people is off-beam. You could just as easily do it with the Bible - and then apply those teachings to every living Westerner.
And yes, I've seen footage of the Taliban and youtube videos of sharia cruelty. I've also seen the film of the Jonestown massacre. And I've seen I-don't-know-how-many documentaries of slack-jawed American yokel Christians speaking in tongues and castigating homosexuals. I don't carry that memory with me every time I meet a new American or citizen of a Christian country - like Germany or Britain or Spain. It would be ridiculous.
By all means, abhor the teachings or dissect the fantasy that is religion. But adopting this blanket Daily Mail mistrust/hatred of 'Muslims' and Muslim countries is just dire.
It is not true that two female witnesses are always considered as equal to only one male witness. It is true only in certain cases. There are about five verses in the Qur�an that mention witnesses, without specifying male or female. There is only one verse in the Qur�an, that says two female witnesses are equal to one male witness. This verse is Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 282. This is the longest verse in the Qur�an and deals with financial transactions. It says:
"Oh! ye who believe!
When ye deal with each other,
in transactions involving future obligation
in a fixed period of time
reduce them to writing and get two witnesses
out of your own men and if there are not two men,
then a man and two women, such as ye choose,
for witnesses so that if one of them errs
the other can remind her."
[Al-Qur�an 2:282]
"Oh! ye who believe!
When ye deal with each other,
in transactions involving future obligation
in a fixed period of time
reduce them to writing and get two witnesses
out of your own men and if there are not two men,
then a man and two women, such as ye choose,
for witnesses so that if one of them errs
the other can remind her."
[Al-Qur�an 2:282]
cont -
This verse of the Qur�an deals only with financial transactions. In such cases, it is advised to make an agreement in writing between the parties and take two witnesses, preferably both of which should be men only. In case you cannot find two men, then one man and two women would suffice.
For instance, suppose a person wants to undergo an operation for a particular ailment. To confirm the treatment, he would prefer taking references from two qualified surgeons. In case he is unable to find two surgeons, his second option would be one surgeon and two general practitioners who are plain MBBS doctors
This verse of the Qur�an deals only with financial transactions. In such cases, it is advised to make an agreement in writing between the parties and take two witnesses, preferably both of which should be men only. In case you cannot find two men, then one man and two women would suffice.
For instance, suppose a person wants to undergo an operation for a particular ailment. To confirm the treatment, he would prefer taking references from two qualified surgeons. In case he is unable to find two surgeons, his second option would be one surgeon and two general practitioners who are plain MBBS doctors
There are about five verses in the Qur�an which speak about witnesses without specifying man or woman.
While making a will of inheritance, two just persons are required as witnesses. In Surah Maidah chapter 5 verse 106, the Glorious Qur�an says:
"Oh you who believe!
When death approaches any of you,
(take) witnesses among yourself when making bequests."
[Al-Qur�an 5:106]
two just persons of your own (brotherhood)
or other from outside if you are journeying
through the earth and the chance of death befalls you."
[Al-Qur�an 65:2]
Two persons endued with justice in case of talaq.
"Four witnesses are required
in case of charge against chaste women,
[Al-Qur�an 24:4]
There are some scholars who are of the opinion that the rule of two female witnesses equal to one male witness should be applied to all the cases. This cannot be agreed upon because one particular verse of the Qur�an from Surah Noor chapter 24, verse 6 clearly equates one female witness and one male witness:
"And those who launch a charge
against their spouses, and have (in support)
no evidence but their own -
their solitary evidence can be received."
[Al-Qur�an 24:6]
While making a will of inheritance, two just persons are required as witnesses. In Surah Maidah chapter 5 verse 106, the Glorious Qur�an says:
"Oh you who believe!
When death approaches any of you,
(take) witnesses among yourself when making bequests."
[Al-Qur�an 5:106]
two just persons of your own (brotherhood)
or other from outside if you are journeying
through the earth and the chance of death befalls you."
[Al-Qur�an 65:2]
Two persons endued with justice in case of talaq.
"Four witnesses are required
in case of charge against chaste women,
[Al-Qur�an 24:4]
There are some scholars who are of the opinion that the rule of two female witnesses equal to one male witness should be applied to all the cases. This cannot be agreed upon because one particular verse of the Qur�an from Surah Noor chapter 24, verse 6 clearly equates one female witness and one male witness:
"And those who launch a charge
against their spouses, and have (in support)
no evidence but their own -
their solitary evidence can be received."
[Al-Qur�an 24:6]
Hazrat Ayesha (RA) hadith narrated of one witness
Many jurists agree that even one witness of a woman is sufficient for the sighting of the crescent of the moon. Imagine one woman witness is sufficient for one of the pillars of Islam, i.e. fasting and the whole Muslim community of men and women agree and accept her witness! Some jurists say that one witness is required at the beginning of Ramadaan and two witnesses at the end of Ramadaan. It makes no difference whether the witnesses are men or women.
Some incidents require only female witness and that of a male cannot be accepted. For instance, in dealing with the problems of women, while giving the burial bath i.e. �ghusl� to a woman, the witness has to be a woman.
The seeming inequality of male and female witnesses in financial transactions is not due to any inequality of the sexes in Islam. It is only due to the different natures and roles of men and women in society as envisaged by Islam.
Many jurists agree that even one witness of a woman is sufficient for the sighting of the crescent of the moon. Imagine one woman witness is sufficient for one of the pillars of Islam, i.e. fasting and the whole Muslim community of men and women agree and accept her witness! Some jurists say that one witness is required at the beginning of Ramadaan and two witnesses at the end of Ramadaan. It makes no difference whether the witnesses are men or women.
Some incidents require only female witness and that of a male cannot be accepted. For instance, in dealing with the problems of women, while giving the burial bath i.e. �ghusl� to a woman, the witness has to be a woman.
The seeming inequality of male and female witnesses in financial transactions is not due to any inequality of the sexes in Islam. It is only due to the different natures and roles of men and women in society as envisaged by Islam.
Le Chat Thank you. You're not so bad yourself.
Keyplus, yes, just look at how many views this question has attracted so far - and whilst you're at it, read them and try to digest them. It hasn't attracted all these responses for the best reasons, has it? Many of the people who have responded, including me, have often defended Islam on AB, but it appears that you are, single-handedly, changing their opinions. Are you really doing Islam any favours? Are you actually trying to enhance cultural relations? Your arrogance is breathtaking.
Keyplus, yes, just look at how many views this question has attracted so far - and whilst you're at it, read them and try to digest them. It hasn't attracted all these responses for the best reasons, has it? Many of the people who have responded, including me, have often defended Islam on AB, but it appears that you are, single-handedly, changing their opinions. Are you really doing Islam any favours? Are you actually trying to enhance cultural relations? Your arrogance is breathtaking.
That was all from Quran and Hadith, But now I tell you that, Witness is needed by the Accuser and not the victim. Otherwise Any one can accuse any body and get him in trouble. That is the reason Quran says that the ACCUSER should bring 4 witness to prove his or her accusations, Otherwise there is a punishment for them for not being able to bring 4 witnesses, and their witness in future would not be considered as they are labeled as liar. In Arab before Islam people used to accuse anyone for being adulterer and get them punished. Islam gave this protection.
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