Society & Culture1 min ago
Britain First - Paul Golding
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Appears at court today but what of the charges he faces? The 'uniform' charge is bizarre to say the least. Short video in the link where Golding outlines the situation.
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10:57 Sun 09th Nov 2014
> This feels like a personal crusade, almost a form of AB vigilanteism making allegations against me of publicity drives, propaganda, links to BF. You seem to have presumed that I am guilty.
As you chose to bring Paul Golding's BF video to the attention of AB, I was simply trying to give you the opportunity to clarify that you don't support them. BF is an unpleasant organisation, directly descended from the National Front and BNP. I've seen family and friends duped into supporting it. To see this thread (on Remembrance Sunday of all days) is disturbing. So apologies if you have felt victimised - it is not personally against you, it is against their deception and their vigilante actions.
> For myself, I shall have to keep my ears and eyes open and follow BF's activities for a while and see what I make of them. I had never heard of Paul Golding until I saw this thread, so I have found it very interesting.
If you want to find out more, a good start is to Google Britain First ...
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... and read the first 20 or so results listed.
As you chose to bring Paul Golding's BF video to the attention of AB, I was simply trying to give you the opportunity to clarify that you don't support them. BF is an unpleasant organisation, directly descended from the National Front and BNP. I've seen family and friends duped into supporting it. To see this thread (on Remembrance Sunday of all days) is disturbing. So apologies if you have felt victimised - it is not personally against you, it is against their deception and their vigilante actions.
> For myself, I shall have to keep my ears and eyes open and follow BF's activities for a while and see what I make of them. I had never heard of Paul Golding until I saw this thread, so I have found it very interesting.
If you want to find out more, a good start is to Google Britain First ...
https:/
... and read the first 20 or so results listed.
mikey4444
Ellipsis has a good point here. Just make an unequivocal statement whether you support BF or not.
mikey4444
Who would have thought that out of that 300, there would be so few not supporting an openly racist and deeply offensive person like Golding and his equally offensive BF ?
Can you please tell me who is suporting and who isn't, mikey.
Ellipsis has a good point here. Just make an unequivocal statement whether you support BF or not.
mikey4444
Who would have thought that out of that 300, there would be so few not supporting an openly racist and deeply offensive person like Golding and his equally offensive BF ?
Can you please tell me who is suporting and who isn't, mikey.
> So, still nobody can explain to me how an organisation that has existed since 2011 - why Golding is now suddenly charged with wearing a political uniform?
I did explain that. He was arrested and charged for behaving like a vigilante, and the uniform is part of that. To quote my earlier post:
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vigilante: a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.
Isn't that a fair description of Paul Golding unearthing an address that was known to the authorities and not released to the general public, dressing up in uniform, going to that address and harassing the occupants at that address, rather than letting the appropriate legal agencies handle it?
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> I don't see why posting a link containing a video, which I thought would help others form an opinion, should require the need for me to declare support for BF.
Quite the opposite. If you had declared support, your post would probably have been removed as propaganda. I think you know that.
But if you were really interested in "helping others to form an opinion" then you might have also posted links to sites other than BF's own - which is hardly objective - such as these:
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I did explain that. He was arrested and charged for behaving like a vigilante, and the uniform is part of that. To quote my earlier post:
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vigilante: a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.
Isn't that a fair description of Paul Golding unearthing an address that was known to the authorities and not released to the general public, dressing up in uniform, going to that address and harassing the occupants at that address, rather than letting the appropriate legal agencies handle it?
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> I don't see why posting a link containing a video, which I thought would help others form an opinion, should require the need for me to declare support for BF.
Quite the opposite. If you had declared support, your post would probably have been removed as propaganda. I think you know that.
But if you were really interested in "helping others to form an opinion" then you might have also posted links to sites other than BF's own - which is hardly objective - such as these:
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Ellipsis
My point was that Golding has been part of many marches throughout this year alone and not once was he get arrested for wearing a 'uniform'. Referring to the charge he faces, was he wearing different clothing? No, so it must follow that he was not wearing a 'uniform' previously but suddenly he is. Looks vindictive to me.
Second point, my post invited comments about the charges and I included a link containing a video. Why would I include any links to BF per se? It is not relevant to the question. Perhaps you could explain how any of your links are helpful in determining Golding's guilt for the counts he faces?
My point was that Golding has been part of many marches throughout this year alone and not once was he get arrested for wearing a 'uniform'. Referring to the charge he faces, was he wearing different clothing? No, so it must follow that he was not wearing a 'uniform' previously but suddenly he is. Looks vindictive to me.
Second point, my post invited comments about the charges and I included a link containing a video. Why would I include any links to BF per se? It is not relevant to the question. Perhaps you could explain how any of your links are helpful in determining Golding's guilt for the counts he faces?
> My point was that Golding has been part of many marches throughout this year alone and not once was he get arrested for wearing a 'uniform'.
Did you want him to be arrested earlier than he actually was?
I don't work for the police or CPS but I would imagine the approach for people donning a uniform to go on a march is likely to be a bit more lenient than their approach for people donning a uniform as part of a vigilante action.
Don't you find it interesting that the uniform law even exists? It exists because things like this have happened before.
> Looks vindictive to me
Who do you think is being vindictive?
> Perhaps you could explain how any of your links are helpful in determining Golding's guilt for the counts he faces
Perhaps you could explain how your link is, when it's simply the unchallenged testimony of the defendant?
But anyway, we are not the jury. The evidence will be presented in court in January and the due process of law will take place. The purpose of posting my links was for the benefit of people like ladybirder, who wrote:
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For myself, I shall have to keep my ears and eyes open and follow BF's activities for a while and see what I make of them. I had never heard of Paul Golding until I saw this thread, so I have found it very interesting.
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BF's website is well worth a read, but so are sites such as Wikipedia, Channel 4 news and the Telegraph, which are a little more objective.
Did you want him to be arrested earlier than he actually was?
I don't work for the police or CPS but I would imagine the approach for people donning a uniform to go on a march is likely to be a bit more lenient than their approach for people donning a uniform as part of a vigilante action.
Don't you find it interesting that the uniform law even exists? It exists because things like this have happened before.
> Looks vindictive to me
Who do you think is being vindictive?
> Perhaps you could explain how any of your links are helpful in determining Golding's guilt for the counts he faces
Perhaps you could explain how your link is, when it's simply the unchallenged testimony of the defendant?
But anyway, we are not the jury. The evidence will be presented in court in January and the due process of law will take place. The purpose of posting my links was for the benefit of people like ladybirder, who wrote:
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For myself, I shall have to keep my ears and eyes open and follow BF's activities for a while and see what I make of them. I had never heard of Paul Golding until I saw this thread, so I have found it very interesting.
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BF's website is well worth a read, but so are sites such as Wikipedia, Channel 4 news and the Telegraph, which are a little more objective.
Ellipsis
I am pointing out the glaring inconsistency in the application of a law. It is not a question of leniency because no other offence has been committed at the time. How can the 'uniform' issue be overlooked so many times with the same type of clothing being worn by so many people?
The uniform legislation is interesting and it will be even more interesting to see how the court interprets the evidence in this case but to me the CPS, having brought a harassment charge, have seen fit to apply a flawed additional 'extra'.
You condemn BF's action in this case but I will pose the question to you that I asked much earlier in this thread - Would you desire a known leader of Al Mahajiroun living in your street?
I am pointing out the glaring inconsistency in the application of a law. It is not a question of leniency because no other offence has been committed at the time. How can the 'uniform' issue be overlooked so many times with the same type of clothing being worn by so many people?
The uniform legislation is interesting and it will be even more interesting to see how the court interprets the evidence in this case but to me the CPS, having brought a harassment charge, have seen fit to apply a flawed additional 'extra'.
You condemn BF's action in this case but I will pose the question to you that I asked much earlier in this thread - Would you desire a known leader of Al Mahajiroun living in your street?
> How can the 'uniform' issue be overlooked so many times with the same type of clothing being worn by so many people?
Sorry, I don't think I can answer this more plainly than I already have.
> Would you desire a known leader of Al Mahajiroun living in your street?
I would desire the police or other state security forces to deal with it, rather than some vigilante who was likely to do more harm than good.
Sorry, I don't think I can answer this more plainly than I already have.
> Would you desire a known leader of Al Mahajiroun living in your street?
I would desire the police or other state security forces to deal with it, rather than some vigilante who was likely to do more harm than good.
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